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Old February 10th, 2009, 09:31 AM   #1
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MISC | Double-decker trains

Could you please post the pictures of double-deck units of the railways of your country and give some information about them. Routes, Top speed, regular speed, range, number of the stations they stop on a route.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #2
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In the Netherlands, we've got three types of double-deck trains, all of which run on train services by NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen). Two of those are real units (IRM and DD-AR), the other type theoretically consists of passenger cars pushed/pulled by a locomotive (DDM), but DDM still always cruises the country in the same composition.
By the way, the Netherlands currently has a top speed of 140 km/h for all passenger trains (except Thalys at a short stretch).


1. IRM
IRM is the newest of the three, and is mostly being used on intercity services. When introduced between 1994 and 1996, there were units of three cars (8200 series) and units of four cars (8400 series). In both cases, the first and last car feature an engine and 2nd class seats, and the middle car(s) feature a mix of 1st and 2nd class seats.
Between 2002 and 2005, extra cars were added to all IRM trains, featuring new (and according to most, improved) seats. The three-car 8200 series got one extra car (mixed 1st/2nd class) and now became the 9400 series. The four-car 8400 series got two extra cars (one mixed 1st/2nd class car, and one 2nd class car with an additional engine), and is currently called the 8600/8700 series.
In 2008, a bunch of completely new IRM trains were delivered, all featuring a new interior, such as wider stairs, which was possible due to the removal of elevator for the catering carts. The seat colors have now been changed to blue in the 2nd class and red in the 1st class, like other NS trains built/renovated during the last few years. These new IRM trains all have four cars (same composition as 9400 series), and form the 9500 series.

IRM exterior:


Lower deck 2nd class interior of the cars added between 2002 and 2005:



2. DD-AR
DD-AR trains were built between 1991 and 1996 by Tablot and can mostly be seen on services with a lot of stops.
DD-AR currently can be divided into two series: 7400 and 7800. Both consist of a control cab (in a car with 2nd class seats), then a car with 1st and 2nd class seats and then a car with 2nd class seats. Behind that, there is either (7800 series) a car with the engine on the lower deck and some 1st and 2nd class seats on the upper deck, or there is (7400 series) another 2nd class car and then a locomotive (loc type 1700).

Pic of the first option (7800 series):


Typical 2nd class interior of DD-AR (upper deck):



3. DDM
DDM was introduced in 1985 and is used in similar services as DD-AR, with a lot of stops.
DDM looks pretty similar to DD-AR, but has a different interior and is longer. It consists of a loc (loc type 1800, unlike DD-AR), and behind that in this particular order cars with 2nd class, 1st/2nd class, 2nd class, 1st/2nd class, 2nd class, and finally a control cab in a car with 2nd class seats.
All 13 DDM control cabs feature a drawing of an endangered species; this was an initiative of NS and the World Wildlife Fund.

Typical 2nd class interior of DDM (lower deck):


Control cab of DDM with a drawing of a whale:



All pics from Wiki.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 05:55 PM   #3
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wonderful representation

I had no idea that top speed of all trains is 140 km/h in Nederlands.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 08:31 AM   #4
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Bilevel cars are rare in Japan, since they don't jive well with capacity needs and dwell times. In Tokyo, there's a couple of JR East lines which use trainsets with bilevel cars as green cars (first class cars), but it's only two bilevel cars per consist, with the rest as regular, single-level cars.
  • Tōkaidō Line
    • Route: Atami - Odawara - Ōfuna - Yokohama - Kawasaki - Tōkyō (21 stations)
    • Distance: 104.6 km
    • Average station spacing: 5.2 km
    • Travel time: 1h10m-1h25m (Odawara - Tōkyō), 1h30m-2h (Atami - Tōkyō)
    • Peak frequency: 26tph
    • Consists: 10, 10+5
    • Top speed: 120 km/h
  • Utsunomiya Line
    • Route: Ueno - Akabane - Ōmiya - Oyama - Utsunomiya - Nasu-Shiobara - Kuroiso (33 stations)
    • Distance: 159.9 km
    • Average station spacing: 5.0 km
    • Travel time: 1h40m (Utsunomiya - Ueno), 2h45m (Kuroiso - Ueno)
    • Peak frequency: 9tph
    • Consists: 10, 10+5
    • Top speed: 120 km/h
  • Takasaki Line
    • Route: Ueno - Akabane - Ōmiya - Kumagaya - Kagohara - Takasaki (24 stations)
    • Distance: 101.6 km
    • Average station spacing: 4.4 km
    • Travel time: 1h10m (Takasaki - Ueno)
    • Peak frequency: 12tph
    • Consists: 10, 10+5
    • Top speed: 120 km/h
  • Yokosuka Line
    • Route: Kurihama - Zushi - Kamakura - Ōfuna - Yokohama - Tōkyō (18 stations)
    • Distance: 73.3 km
    • Average station spacing: 4.3 km
    • Travel time: 1h30m (Kurihama - Tōkyō)
    • Peak frequency: 9tph
    • Consists: 11, 11+4
    • Top speed: 120 km/h
  • Sōbu Rapid Line
    • Route: Narita Airport - Chiba - Funabashi - Kinshichō - Tōkyō (18 stations)
    • Distance: 79.2 km
    • Travel time: 1h30m (Narita Airport - Tōkyō)
    • Peak frequency: 16tph
    • Consists: 11, 11+4
    • Top speed: 120 km/h
  • Jōban Rapid Line (mid-distance)
    • Route: Takahagi - Hitachi - Mito - Tsuchiura - Toride - Kashiwa - Matsudo - Kita-Senju - Ueno (34 stations)
    • Distance: 162.5 km
    • Travel time: 75m (Tsuchiura - Ueno), 3h00m (Takahagi - Ueno)
    • Peak frequency: 20tph
    • Consists: 10, 10+5
    • Top speed: 130 km/h
Through-service on Yokosuka Line - Sōbu Rapid Line, Utsunomiya Line - Yokosuka Line, and Takasaki Line - Tōkaidō Line

When originally constructed, the lines were regional / intercity routes, but once Tokyo started growing and expanding outward, the lines began to take on the nature of commuter trains. So if you don't want to stand or otherwise mingle with the commuters in the regular cars, the bilevel car is the way to go. The remaining cars in the consist are typical single-level cars. In order to ride in the green car, you must purchase a green car ticket before entering the train, which is equivalent to the cost of a regular ticket (fare is calculated by travel distance), plus the green car charge (750 yen for trips under 50 km, 950 yen for trips over). If you enter the green car without a green car ticket, the green car charge increases slightly (1000 yen for trips under 50 km, 1200 yen for trips over).

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JR East E231 series (Tōkaidō Line, Utsunomiya Line, and Takasaki Line)
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JR East E233 series (Tōkaidō Line, introduced in 2007):
(posted by chmr103)

JR East E217 series (Yokosuka Line / Sōbu Rapid Line):
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(posted by powered_by_siemens)

JR East E531 series (Jōban Rapid Line, introduced in 2007):

Lower deck of green car
(from Wikipedia)

There's also 211 series, which is older.
(from Wikipedia)

Cool features:
You can also use a Suica card (contactless IC farecard) to "purchase" the green car charge part of a green car ticket. If you wish to use your Suica, you must purchase from the special Suica green car ticket machines; upon entering the green car, hold your Suica in front of the card reader installed above the seat to deduct the green car charge. The distance-based fare of the green car ticket will be deducted when you exit the station.
Video of how Suica green car ticket works:



There's also bilevel Shinkansen for Tōhoku and Jōetsu Shinkansen, mainly used as a means of increasing capacity to accomodate commuters.

E1 Shinkansen MAX (12-car consists)
(from Wikipedia)

E4 Shinkansen MAX (8 or 8+8 consists)
(from Wikipedia)


Keihan Electric Railway in Osaka-Kyoto area also runs a single bilevel car in their 8000 series special express trains.
(from Wikipedia)
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Old February 11th, 2009, 11:49 AM   #5
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CityRail in Sydney, Australia uses a large fleet of double-deck electric multiple unit sets to provide all suburban services, as well as most interurban rail services in the Greater Sydney area. Here are some photos:

Older 1970s-built double deck EMU at Thirroul on a local Wollongong suburban:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=236523

Newer 1990s-vintage Tangara in the Blue Mountains (Glenbrook):
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=267992

2003-2005 built Millennium Train at Bexley North (newest suburbans in the fleet):
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=234418
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Old February 11th, 2009, 12:11 PM   #6
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Double deck trains form the majority of Israel Railways' trains. There is only one type. It is used on all lines. It is practically the only type used on suburban routes, and it is common on inter-city routes:





At very busy times (i.e. Sunday mornings) they join two of them together to make this:

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Old February 11th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #7
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Eh - interesting to see what's basically the Bombardier DBpza with essentially the same paintjob as in Germany (upper horizontal stripe is a bit lower) but different furniture.

The Israeli units were built by Bombardier Görlitz.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #8
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Double-deck sleeper car in China

This is a double-deck "hard sleeper"-class carriage in China. The train serves the route between Urumqi and Alashankou (Altaw Pass). I took this picture on 2006 April 26 at 07:59:54 UTC+08:00 at Bole (Bortala) Railway Station.

In either deck, there 4 beds in each compartment, 2 up, 2 down.

Designed speed: 140 km/h
Gauge: 1435 mm
Length: 25500 mm
Width: 3105 mm
Height (Roof to Track): 4750 mm
Passenger Capacity: 80 or 76
Weight: 53600 kg
Aircon system: 25000 kcal/h aircon * 2
Producer: Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock Works



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This is a double-deck "soft sleeper"-class carriage in China. The train serves
the route between Kunming and Dali.



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Old February 11th, 2009, 06:37 PM   #9
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They also have double-deck dinning cars:

http://bbs.hasea.com/thread-145102-1-1.html

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Old February 11th, 2009, 07:15 PM   #10
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Belgian Railways M6 double-decker.

370 of these are ordered.

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Old February 12th, 2009, 06:45 AM   #11
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super trains... thank to everyone who sent pictures so far.

What is the speed of double deck Shinkansen of Japan?
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Old February 12th, 2009, 06:52 AM   #12
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We got these in Denmark


Not sure about the top speed - my guess is around 170-180km/h..
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We got these in Denmark


Not sure about the top speed - my guess is around 170-180km/h..
That's almost identical to the Israeli type, but with an interesting difference (apart from the colour):



THe driver's cab carriage in the Danish train has more room for passengers, because the air conditioning system takes up the front part of the Israeli one. I assume from this that the Danish train isn't air conditioned?

The Israeli trains can do 150 kph, BTW.
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Old February 12th, 2009, 08:25 AM   #14
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New double decker sleeper in Russia:

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That's almost identical to the Israeli type, but with an interesting difference (apart from the colour):



THe driver's cab carriage in the Danish train has more room for passengers, because the air conditioning system takes up the front part of the Israeli one. I assume from this that the Danish train isn't air conditioned?

The Israeli trains can do 150 kph, BTW.
Those Israeli train carriages are exactly the same carriages (except they're diesel) that are used by DB in Germany on the Regionalbahn and RegionalExpress services across the country.

These travel in Germany at 160km/h and are often hauled by electric locomotives rather than diesel, though diesel are used in parts of the country (not sure if they're used for double decker carriages though, I know they are for single).
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We got these in Denmark


Not sure about the top speed - my guess is around 170-180km/h..
are they intercity or short distance trains?
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The Danish trains run IC on Sundays when demand is high and regional services the rest of the time. Their top speed is 160 (the same as the rest of the system) and they have A/C.
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Israel's locomotives cannot feed the train with electricity, so one car must have a diesel engine to create electricity for heating, AC and other equipments.

Just like this, from another thread of SSC:

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Germany, Metronom with A/C:




And Germany Deutsche Bahn with A/C too:




DB, Germany without A/C:

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At very busy times (i.e. Sunday mornings) they join two of them together to make this:

Interesting... What kind of couplers are mounted on those trains ?
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