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Old June 8th, 2013, 02:12 PM   #381
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11 Double Deckers, all AC, that must be approaching one of the highest capacities for any regular service AC train surely?
GO Train, the commuter rail service in the Toronto-Hamilton region, uses 12 double deckers. Capacity is 1,944 people or 162 people/double decker.

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GO Train, the commuter rail service in the Toronto-Hamilton region, uses 12 double deckers. Capacity is 1,944 people or 162 people/double decker.
12 cars, american style, I suppose fitted with AC... and I see (the red stripes...)
there is a driving cabin at the end of each set. That implies it's only powered
by one loc, which also must provide HEP. The acceleration must certainly not be
spectacular ! This is for a suburban service... how far apart are the stations ?
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Old June 10th, 2013, 09:35 PM   #383
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Paris MI09 (RER A)
Trains are made of 2 EMU of 5 cars.
The capacity of a train (2 EMU) is 2,610 passengers.















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Old June 11th, 2013, 12:54 PM   #384
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12 cars, american style, I suppose fitted with AC... and I see (the red stripes...)
there is a driving cabin at the end of each set. That implies it's only powered
by one loc, which also must provide HEP. The acceleration must certainly not be
spectacular ! This is for a suburban service... how far apart are the stations ?
Well Canada is in America, so that would make sense.

The coaches are primairly pulled/pushed by MPI MP40 locomotives and coincided with the move from 10 cars to 12. I've never ridden on GO Train, but the stations look to be about 6-8 km apart. To put things in perspective, Hamilton to the west is approximately 70 km from Union Station while Oshawa is about 60 km in the other direction. Heading north to Allandale from Union Station is about 80 km, while Union Station to Kitchener (Green Line) is about 90 km.

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Old June 11th, 2013, 03:03 PM   #385
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Hardly a commuter system then xD
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Old June 20th, 2013, 05:06 AM   #386
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One thing that no one seems to have yet noted is that some double decker trains have doors on the lower deck while others have them over the bogies. Now I realise that the "two level" carriages are suited to dwelling at lower platforms, did all such places always have lower platforms or did some of those countries rebuild stations for low entry double decker trains?

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...problem one could be solved by using Talgo style bogies. This would mean the floor could be lowered considerably, giving far more height on the passenger decks. This could be further improved by adopting modern "thin wall" construction techniques, maximizing the width available in the passenger decks.

Since the Talgo bogie has no joining axle, passenger access between carriages could be incorporated on both decks, easing movement and distribution of passengers and also helping create a sense of a more open environment than the 4-DD. This has already been demonstrated to be possible on the Talgo 22 prototype.

Using modern plug double doors would drastically reduce dwell times, which combined with the non-compartmental structure would allow for free flow of passengers.

The only issue would be with the high platforms used in Britain, which would mean introducing steps around the doors, and ramp for disabled access - either that or passengers having to step up/down to/from the platform, with a portable ramp on hand for wheelchair users.
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I think, in the UK double decker is possible, but not really practical for a few reasons.
The high platforms are not an issue, take a look at Sydney for that.
The dwell times aren't either. There are very few commuter trains with more than four doors on each car (two at each end).
The Sydney suburban trains, and interurban EMUs, like all split level trains, only have low floors and upper decks between the bogies, so it's a simple matter of placing the doors over the bogies. The Talgo 22 is basically a double decked heavy rail version of the low floor trams found in Zürich and Vienna.
Could platforms be lowered and has this been done before on heavy rail?
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those aren't doubledeckers.
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This is a really cool design double-deck train, it's very special single deck - doubledeck train
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Old June 21st, 2013, 10:39 PM   #395
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Could platforms be lowered and has this been done before on heavy rail?
Switzerland always had low platforms. Actually some platforms were even lower before the introduction of the double deck S-Bahn.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 12:00 AM   #396
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In Germany the platforms are sometimes 20 cm higher than the wagon floor.


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In Italy the higher platforms are at 55 cm (like in Switzerland), so doubledeckers with doors at the low floor section are at the same level:




Older doucledeckers with doors over the bogies can be accessed only with some steps:

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Old June 22nd, 2013, 11:28 AM   #398
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Australian Double Deckers:

S-Set - Launched 1971, currently operates suburban services in Sydney (however they are currently being withdrawn from service). They also operated suburban services in Wollongong until 2012.

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K-Set - Launched 1981, operates suburban services in Sydney and Newcastle. Very similar to the S-Set, but with more features such as air conditioning.

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T-Set - Launched in 1988, it operates suburban services in Sydney and in Wollongong.

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Refurbished Tangara (Upper Deck) by Kaine1991, on Flickr

M-Set - Launched 2002, it operates suburban services in Sydney.

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Sydney Suburban Trains, Millennium Set M23 departs Ashfield Station by john cowper, on Flickr
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A-Set - Launched in 2011, operates Sydney suburban services.

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CityRail's new Waratah Train or A Set - A3 by Squeakaz, on Flickr
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V-Set - Introduced 1970 (although the older sets have been withdrawn), operates intercity services from Sydney to Newcastle and the Blue Mountains.

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CITYRAIL V Set Bell by kommissar_todd06, on Flickr
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V-Set 8115, Katoomba by Solent Images, on Flickr

H-Set - Operates intercity services from Sydney to Newcastle and Wollongong.

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Doubledecker = Two floors, or two levels!
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