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Old February 16th, 2009, 10:23 AM   #41
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Here's a Finnish Sr2 locomotive - essentially the same as the Swiss 460 - and double deck Intercity cars with an older single decker in tow. Note the larger loading gauge that allows wide and tall cars. Air conditioning units and other auxiliary equipment are housed under the roof in the car ends. We also have night trains with double deck sleepers and double deck auto carriers with the same profile.

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Old February 16th, 2009, 12:08 PM   #42
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Here's a Finnish Sr2 locomotive - essentially the same as the Swiss 460 - and double deck Intercity cars with an older single decker in tow. Note the larger loading gauge that allows wide and tall cars. Air conditioning units and other auxiliary equipment are housed under the roof in the car ends. We also have night trains with double deck sleepers and double deck auto carriers with the same profile.


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Old February 16th, 2009, 05:36 PM   #43
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Lithuanian Railways has these Skoda trains operating between Kaunas and Vilinius:
top speed 160km/h
Is it train speed or service speed?

If service speed is 160km/h then is catenary(I mean overhead wire) already rebuilt or the remainig one was good for speeds over 120km/h?

The current signalling system allows max 120km/h as I can remember, if 160km/h then how they solved signalling problem?
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Old February 16th, 2009, 07:20 PM   #44
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Is it train speed or service speed?

If service speed is 160km/h then is catenary(I mean overhead wire) already rebuilt or the remainig one was good for speeds over 120km/h?

The current signalling system allows max 120km/h as I can remember, if 160km/h then how they solved signalling problem?
160 km/h is design speed of these trains, but their actual maximal speed is 140 km/h (of course on suitable railway). Link: http://www.skoda.cz/en/skoda-holding...nt-aid722.html

BTW, Slovakia also purchased 10 three-car (power car, intermediate trailer, driving car) double-deck EMUs for suburban operation around Žilina and Košice from Škoda. The 3 kV DC/25 kV 50 Hz AC dual-voltage trains with a top speed of 160 km/h are expected to cost up to €92.3 million. First unit should be delivered in 2010.

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Old February 16th, 2009, 08:40 PM   #45
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It's sad that here in the UK these cannot possibly fit onto the lines without massive changes to all bridges and tracks. Its more viable to just lengthen platforms. Or have high frwquency.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 06:56 AM   #46
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It's sad that here in the UK these cannot possibly fit onto the lines without massive changes to all bridges and tracks. Its more viable to just lengthen platforms. Or have high frwquency.
But high frequency is better for the passengers.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 04:07 PM   #47
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Is it train speed or service speed?

If service speed is 160km/h then is catenary(I mean overhead wire) already rebuilt or the remainig one was good for speeds over 120km/h?

The current signalling system allows max 120km/h as I can remember, if 160km/h then how they solved signalling problem?
For now it operates with 120km/h speed and the reconstruction that would allow higher speeds is not even sheduled... Lithuanian Railways' priority is freight cause it's profitable.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 04:15 PM   #48
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It's sad that here in the UK these cannot possibly fit onto the lines without massive changes to all bridges and tracks. Its more viable to just lengthen platforms. Or have high frwquency.
What is the UK gauge? Maximum height? Maximum load? Maximum width?
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British loading gauge is 9 ft (2743 mm) wide by 11 ft (3353 mm) high on the sides, rising to a 13 ft 6 in (4115 mm) centre. Below platform level (the lower 3 ft 6 in or 914 mm) the vehicle can be no wider than 8 ft 8 in (2642 mm). Some lines, particularly the Hastings Line, had even narrower loading gauges. By contrast the European (Berne) loading gauge is usually 10 ft 2 in (3150 mm) wide by 10 ft 5 in (3175 mm) rising to 14 ft 0˝ in (4280 mm) in the centre. This is a clearance envelope on a curve of 250 m (820 ft 2.5 in) radius.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loading_gauge

Especially the width below the platform level makes double deck trains impossible, you can only have a very small lower deck without 2x2 seating.
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Britain

British loading gauge is 9 ft (2743 mm) wide by 11 ft (3353 mm) high on the sides, rising to a 13 ft 6 in (4115 mm) centre. Below platform level (the lower 3 ft 6 in or 914 mm) the vehicle can be no wider than 8 ft 8 in (2642 mm). Some lines, particularly the Hastings Line, had even narrower loading gauges. By contrast the European (Berne) loading gauge is usually 10 ft 2 in (3150 mm) wide by 10 ft 5 in (3175 mm) rising to 14 ft 0˝ in (4280 mm) in the centre. This is a clearance envelope on a curve of 250 m (820 ft 2.5 in) radius.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loading_gauge

Especially the width below the platform level makes double deck trains impossible, you can only have a very small lower deck without 2x2 seating.
I found that:

http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEU.../loadgauge.htm
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Old February 18th, 2009, 10:52 AM   #52
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The smallest double-deck unit????


Baureihe 670 in Germany

Only 6 trains are build by Bombardier


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Old February 18th, 2009, 10:54 AM   #53
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Looks like a double decker bus on railways. Did the Germans look at the British Pacer/Sprinter series and go "we can make those DOUBLE DECKER! They're so appealing to ride on!"
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Old February 18th, 2009, 11:22 AM   #54
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An Italian company built a double decker DMU using as base the project of French double-decker coaches.

http://forum.milanotrasporti.org/vie...119813#p119813

http://forum.milanotrasporti.org/vie...p=94170#p94170

Now it is used in Mauritania towed by another locomotive.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 04:29 PM   #56
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About Belgian M6 doubledeckers: I do not think they ordered 370 of these.

The 370 ordered are the new Siemens Desiros for the GEN/RER .
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Old February 19th, 2009, 04:34 PM   #57
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Belgian Railways M6 double-decker.

370 of these are ordered.

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I mean this ones, not 370 of them where ordered.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 05:30 PM   #58
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It's already an old number, right now the total number of delivered and ordered M6 cars is already 492. But the 370 was the number before even more new ones were ordered, so it's not completely incorrect.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 12:33 AM   #59
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When I see this picture, I think it is really possible to have double-deck with UK gauge. Thanks for the info on gauges by the way.

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Old February 22nd, 2009, 02:22 AM   #60
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It's already an old number, right now the total number of delivered and ordered M6 cars is already 492. But the 370 was the number before even more new ones were ordered, so it's not completely incorrect.
True. About the Desiro ML: 305 of these are ordered.



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