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Old June 17th, 2010, 11:06 PM   #141
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Holy cow!

That's what I call thorough! You can barely tell that it used to look anything like that.
almost as good as the HST refurbish
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Old June 18th, 2010, 02:28 AM   #142
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Not that recently - Israel's had them since 1999.

Don't know about Iran.
Same year than Israel: 1999. When I said "recently" I meant compared to other countries like France where there are double decked carriages since the begining of the 20th century..
But the first modern double decker were made in the 1930': the very advanced for their time "Voiture Etat Ó Útage" on the Paris Saint Lazare suburban network. Today unrefurbished 80' rolling stock has still the same design.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 12:08 PM   #143
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Same year than Israel: 1999. When I said "recently" I meant compared to other countries like France where there are double decked carriages since the begining of the 20th century..
But the first modern double decker were made in the 1930': the very advanced for their time "Voiture Etat Ó Útage" on the Paris Saint Lazare suburban network. Today unrefurbished 80' rolling stock has still the same design.
From wikipedia: [IMG]
Bummer. I was just about to remark that that is "some very sweet electric wiring for the 1930s."
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Old June 18th, 2010, 12:40 PM   #144
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I think you all forget about some of them lol...
In Japan (3 more unlisted)
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Old June 18th, 2010, 03:15 PM   #145
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Bummer. I was just about to remark that that is "some very sweet electric wiring for the 1930s."
Yes but what you see on the picture IS the 1930' rolling stock, on their farewell trip in 1982.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 05:31 PM   #146
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A peculiarly American institution: the gallery car.



Rather than have the upper deck extend all the way across the car... well, you can look for yourself.





One may ask, why would anyone design anything like that?


Well, they were originally designed for commuter railways, which of course have rather short distances between stops. This makes it difficult for the conductor to check everyone's ticket in the time between stations. With standard bilevel cars, it's even worse. However, with the mezzanine seating in the gallery car, the conductor can make only one pass through the train in between stops, thereby rendering him able to check everyone's ticket.

They also have higher ground clearance and are able to stop at low-level platforms.

I ride these daily, and I can tell you that they are actually quite comfortable and nice to ride on.
(definitely better than those Swiss S-bahn bilevels I rode in Zurich- you could hardly stand up on the second level.)

Some of them have old-style reversible seats, which are the most amazing things in history.



(you know it's bad luck to sit backwards on a train after all- with reversible seating, you never have to sit backwards ever again!)
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Old June 18th, 2010, 07:12 PM   #147
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(you know it's bad luck to sit backwards on a train after all- with reversible seating, you never have to sit backwards ever again!)
Actually I prefer seating backwards.... :-)
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Old June 19th, 2010, 01:19 AM   #148
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slightly off topic.

Check out post #24 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...6&postcount=24) in this thread. Best double-decker I've seen all day!
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Old June 19th, 2010, 12:02 PM   #149
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Huh? How do people climb up to the seats in the upper level in those US trains? I see no corridor...
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Old June 19th, 2010, 12:57 PM   #150
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There seems to be a very small path next to the chairs.



The stairs are also hidden from view, at least on the pictures on the internet.

From first look I find these gallery cars very commuter unfriendly, with these kind of coaches it's no wonder that passenger rail traffic in the US is so pathetic.
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There seems to be a very small path next to the chairs.



The stairs are also hidden from view, at least on the pictures on the internet.

From first look I find these gallery cars very commuter unfriendly, with these kind of coaches it's no wonder that passenger rail traffic in the US is so pathetic.
We don't use those everywhere , i believe only 3 systems use them. Most Double Decker units we have are similar to Asian units on the inside. About the Passenger Rail Traffic , the West Coast , Chicago Metro ,& Northeast have growing Passenger Rail numbers. I guess the Average is 50,000 for In't standards. My state has 2 lines that meet that. I always have to stand of the double decker units thats how crowded they are. Even if its a 12 car train........And they expect every line to double or triple ridership growth over the next decade. As states are rebuilding there networks , more and more people are using the Larger system.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 02:35 PM   #152
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If you have to stand in double decker trains it's time to go back to single deck trains, trains with less seats and more doors have a bigger passenger capacity and you can have shorter stops at the stations.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 03:56 PM   #153
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If you have to stand in double decker trains it's time to go back to single deck trains, trains with less seats and more doors have a bigger passenger capacity and you can have shorter stops at the stations.
They use Single levels on that line to , but its at the point were you really can't do anything. Everything is crowded , most at the rush hours , but even in between its bad. There are trains every 10-30 mins , if your going towards NYC its every 10 mins , outbound every 10-30 mins depending on the hr. All lines that go to NYC are usually standing room only even on the single level trains.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 04:39 AM   #154
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Old June 20th, 2010, 04:41 AM   #155
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A bit more Italian doubble deckers

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Again Taf (here the shuttle to Milan International Airport)

Moroccan Ansaldo Breda units like in Italia and Netherlands.

We have 24 trains. Sometimes operating in double.




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Old June 20th, 2010, 06:42 PM   #156
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BTW , How could we forget about this??

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Plus the Indian Double decker train:
[IMG]http://**********/~shankie/famoustrains/fr5.jpg[/IMG]
And the City Night Line
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And the seats and berths of City Night Line

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Another Canadian Double-decker?
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Another Canadian Double-decker?
Thats technically a NJT Double Decker / Loco , but we decided to do an International purchase with Montreal to save money. $$$$ so its just painted differently. But the Picture is taken in NJ. There not due for here intill late Next year at least the locos , we have the double decker units already.
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