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Old December 17th, 2010, 01:43 PM   #281
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Berlin tourism announced that they topped 20m visitors for the year, which makes Berlin the 3rd most popular tourist / city destination in Europe behind London and Paris (and just ahead of Rome now).

This is good news for the future of the new airport.

As a downside, Ryanair just announced that it will cut flights from/to Berlin by about 50% due to the German government's decision to introduce a new carbon / flight tax from January 2011. This will equate to between 500,000 and 900,000 fewer passengers for Berlin Airports as those many of those destinations won't be served in future.

Hopefully this won't hurt too much, and the continued flow of increasing tourist numbers from elsewhere will make it up for that loss.
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Old December 17th, 2010, 02:04 PM   #282
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I dont think that we will realize any loss. These few flights to Bremen or Hahn cant be that important.
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Old December 17th, 2010, 03:12 PM   #283
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The domestic flights to SXF by Ryanair counts about 500.000 passengers/year. This loss will manifest in figures next year, I suppose. But we should not forget there is some growth planned by airberlin next summer in TXL, like new routes 6/7 to Verona, 4/7 to New York, 12/7 to Basle and increase of the routes to Rome and Barcelona up to 14/7. Royal Jordanian starts with flights to Amman 2/7. So we can see arrangements for AB´s entrance into Oneworld in early 2012 with BER offering a beginning hub-structure.
By the way: MIAT will switch their flights from Ulan Baatar to FRA instead of TXL in summer next year. They have been in FRA a couple of years ago and we will see if this works now better for them. (EDIT: MIAT will stay in Berlin!)

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Not 20 Mio. visitors but 20 Mio. night stops. The amount of visitors will be in the vicinity of more than 9 Mio.

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Old December 19th, 2010, 01:42 PM   #284
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Not 20 Mio. visitors but 20 Mio. night stops. The amount of visitors will be in the vicinity of more than 9 Mio.
thanks, you are right - apologies.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 07:13 PM   #285
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Some impressions: The airport under construction in winter coat



















Marion Schmieding & Alexander Obst: 21.12.2010
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 12:20 PM   #286
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great pics!! thanks!
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 10:01 PM   #287
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Unbelievable nice pictures! Tomorrow I'll fly to Schönefeld. Hope to catch some pictures too.

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Old December 22nd, 2010, 11:17 PM   #288
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Indeed, fantastic photos! I really like the look of BBI. That wasn't really to be expected from the early renderings.
Turns out really elegant.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 01:14 PM   #289
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Berlin Airports announced yesterday that the 22 millionth passenger boarded a plane yesterday - this should take this year's total pax numbers to about 22.2m - not bad given the volcano ash disruption earlier in the year, and the harsh winter conditions more recently.

My guestimate for 2011 is about 23 Mio (not quite a steep increase in numbers as previously, due to the Ryanair cut-backs announced) and close to 25 Mio in 2012 when the airport opens.

Give it another 2 years and by 2014 they should commence construction on the 1st satellite, I reckon.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #290
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Great to see Berlin's pax numbers growing like that
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Old January 21st, 2011, 08:05 AM   #291
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BBI's train connections plan for the opening, designed by a fellow German forumer:

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Hier eine aktuelle Übersicht über die BBI-Bahnanbindungen zum Eröffnungszeitpunkt:

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Old January 21st, 2011, 08:14 AM   #292
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No ICE stop?
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Old January 21st, 2011, 02:37 PM   #293
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The chart seems to embrace only regional rail traffic.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 05:15 PM   #294
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The chart seems to embrace only regional rail traffic.
Until now, there are no long-distance-trains scheduled for the opening-season of BER.

Only a couple of ideas to bring some ICE/IC/EC's to the Airport - but no concrete plans :/

The Bahn-Company is very reserved - because they don't see the need.
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Until now, there are no long-distance-trains scheduled for the opening-season of BER.

Only a couple of ideas to bring some ICE/IC/EC's to the Airport - but no concrete plans :/

The Bahn-Company is very reserved - because they don't see the need.
But is it possible, from a technical point of view, rerouting the ICE Leipzig-Berlin and the IC Dresden-Berlin in order to join the new airport on the route to Berlin?
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Old January 21st, 2011, 07:09 PM   #296
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But is it possible, from a technical point of view, rerouting the ICE Leipzig-Berlin and the IC Dresden-Berlin in order to join the new airport on the route to Berlin?
Of course - there are a lot of possibilies to connect the airport with the ICE/IC-network. But the Bahn don't wanna lost any time on her fast premier-routes (e.g. to Leipzig) by making a detour via BER.

And there is still the problem of the missing Anhalter-Bahn-tracks, which we can't expect within the next ten years :/

More likely is the possibility to extend routes like Hamburg-Südkreuz to Hamburg-Südkreuz-BER - the Airport as final destination for long-distance-trains from the north/west.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 07:14 PM   #297
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Of course - there are a lot of possibilies to connect the airport with the ICE/IC-network. But the Bahn don't wanna lost any time on her fast premier-routes (e.g. to Leipzig) by making a detour via BER.
That's exactly what I supposed.
Due to the location of BBI, I supposed Leipzig and Dresden (with due respect, minor airports) as logical destinations for direct rail services with the new airport; I hope someone in DB will revise their plans.
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 02:05 PM   #298
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ICE trains are supposed to be high speed trains. The detour for Frankfurt/München - Erfurt - Halle/Leipzig - Berlin trains to the airport would drastically increase travel time, so it'd be nonsense. IC/EC trains to Cottbus - Poland and (after finishing of the Dresdner Bahn) maybe Dresden - Prague would be a different situation and thus be possible. And there's an additional possibility by extending ICEs from Hannover and Hamburg which terminate in Berlin to the airport (if logistically practicable, since maintenance etc is done in Rummelsburg which is located near Ostbahnhof, the existing terminus).
That's by far better than MUC, which only has access to very slow S-Bahn trains.
BER is not FRA and will never be it, so an ICE stop comparable to Frankfurt Airport, which is an ICE hub not only because of the airport passengers but because of its location within Germany's HSR network, is not needed.
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 10:49 PM   #299
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I can only second Rohne and stress that it was always planned to re-route the named Eurocities to Dresden/Prague and Cottbus/Krakow via the airport. The route to Munich via Leipzig makes no sense whatsoever because this would increase travel times between Berlin and the said cities dramatically.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 01:03 AM   #300
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The Frankfurt Airport design is more much better than this one!
he had to build something original that reflects the historical aspect of berlin.
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