BER | Berlin Brandenburg Airport - Page 27

Dase · January 4th, 2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KingNick

Who's they?

EK obviously, according to your own original posting.

dreamery · January 6th, 2012, 02:45 PM

Some new impressions of the airport building under construction

Source and Copyright: Berlin Airports

noir-dresses · January 6th, 2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dase

EK obviously, according to your own original posting.

I don't think EK will order an additional 30 A380's, and pending 50 options for the A350 until Germany open up Berlin, and Stuttgart.

German jobs are better off exporting billions to the UAE that pay for every thing in the end, instead of throwing billions, upon billions into the crumbling EU economy which they will never get back.

If its about jobs then the German/UAE trade balance is one sided in Germanys interest. I really don't think EK access to more German cities will hurt the German economy over all.

Whats also very important the German consummer will have a much better choice in the end.

way of thinking · January 6th, 2012, 07:04 PM

24,033,456 passengers (+7,7%) accumulated in both airports: TXL 16,9 Mio (+12,6%) and SXF 7,1 Mio (-2,5%)
almost 243.000 aircraft movements
∅ 136 passengers/flight (2010: 133)
average load factor 72,6% (+1,5%)
31.000 tons cargo (+16,1%)
route towards MUC: 1.912.885 passengers (+5,2%)
towards FRA: 1.794.173 passengers (+11,4%)
towards LON: 1.362.771 passengers (+6,3%)
towards New York: 233.355 passengers (+12,0%)
within Europe: 14.834.183 passengers (+13,7%)
transfer passengers at Berlin Airports: 4,1% (2010: 3,4%, 2009: 1,7%)

RustySword · January 6th, 2012, 09:17 PM

I'm gonna use this beautiful airopost in the future

milkyy · January 7th, 2012, 04:04 PM

Looks amazing!

Berlin. · January 7th, 2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamery

WOW i Love it .. looks awesome

Dr_Cosmo · January 7th, 2012, 05:21 PM

Future Fire Fighter Vehicle at BER

Fabri88 · January 7th, 2012, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noir-dresses

I don't think EK will order an additional 30 A380's, and pending 50 options for the A350 until Germany open up Berlin, and Stuttgart.

German jobs are better off exporting billions to the UAE that pay for every thing in the end, instead of throwing billions, upon billions into the crumbling EU economy which they will never get back.

If its about jobs then the German/UAE trade balance is one sided in Germanys interest. I really don't think EK access to more German cities will hurt the German economy over all.

Whats also very important the German consummer will have a much better choice in the end.

It all depends on Lufthansa and Air Berlin intentions!

For example, here in Italia we are struggling to see the 5th freedom of the air given to Singapore Airlines in order to operate Singapore - Milan Malpensa - New York JFK route. Former Italian government, and in particular former Infrastructures and Transports minister Altero Matteoli used always to hedge about it in order to protect Alitalia route (operated with an "embarassing to see" 5 x Week with A332). Singapore wants to place a daily flight between MXP and JFK (in the very beginning operating with B77W but, why not, in the future it could be A388). Now with the new government we are hoping that 5th freedom to SQ will be given. It would be a "crime" if not conceeded!

So, if Air Berlin and, overall, Lufthansa have the intention to build up a big network from Berlin I think that blocking Emirates it's a wise decision. If they only want to operate a bunch of flights like Alitalia in MXP I think Emirates should have to be allowed to operate to Berlin.

But if this happens a trouble would persist: Air Berlin has already declared to move all their flight to the UAE from DXB to AUH. UAE, as to do a spite to Germany, probably would not allow Lufthansa to fly to Dubai from Berlin so the German capital will be splitted, as the "Mauer" used to do, from one of the most important financial centre of the world.

hmueller2 · January 7th, 2012, 06:51 PM

the wooden parts together with the red signs and the marble floor look awesome!

cristof · January 7th, 2012, 07:48 PM

when does it open? germany rocks

mk6127 · January 7th, 2012, 10:59 PM

Hello. How could I get to BER by a car? Will it be the same exit from autobahn as to Schoenefeld or different? I always go from Szczecin PL by A11 to 0km, heading to Frankfurt and on 53km turn to 113 north and several km's exactly to SXF. Will it be ok or not? And after opening BER will SXF be closed or still open for EU tracks?

Dase · January 8th, 2012, 12:33 AM

^ It will be a little more quick as you will exit a few kilometers earlier on the A113. The new exit is already in use.

hmueller2 · January 8th, 2012, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cristof

when does it open? germany rocks

3 June 2012

Tricky · January 8th, 2012, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mk6127

Hello. How could I get to BER by a car? Will it be the same exit from autobahn as to Schoenefeld or different? I always go from Szczecin PL by A11 to 0km, heading to Frankfurt and on 53km turn to 113 north and several km's exactly to SXF. Will it be ok or not? And after opening BER will SXF be closed or still open for EU tracks?

SXF will be closed once BER opens. However, if the airport authority ever wants to use the facilities or land currently used by SXF, they can do so (so no legal requirement to have SXF closed - but with BER the intent is to have everything under 1 roof!).

Rohne · January 8th, 2012, 01:08 PM

@Fabri88: SQ's upgauging SIN-FRA-JFK to A388, so it's very unlikely they will take use of these fifth freedom rights in the foreseeable future.

And concerning Germany - UAE traffic, I think you don't have any information about the bilateral. The current Germany-UAE bilateral is not far from Open Skies: the carriers are granted fifth freedom rights (many Open Skies agreements don't include this), and the carriers may fly from as many starting points in their own country as they want with as much capacity and frequency as they want. The only restriction is the number of destinations in the other country, being limited to 3 (EK was already granted HAM as a fourth German destination by an exception rule, and it's likely that EY is granted the same if they apply to). If the UAE want more, they should offer more in return (but besides DXB, AUH and SHJ, I don't see any more potential UAE destinations that could be interesting for German carriers).
In fact, AB tying up with EY will very likely hurt Berlin, as this will mean that AB will have to route nearly all of its asian traffic via AUH.
While there was a slim chance that we might see AB open up new routes to major Asian cities, or - with AB's integration into OneWorld - some Asian carriers like JQ/3K/AK, JL or even CX starting flights to Berlin, this scenario has become rather unlikely now.
The tie up additionaly means some kind of sidesteping the bilateral, as you might see AB flying from any major German city (except FRA, MUC, DUS and maybe HAM where Etihad flies to on its own) to AUH feeding EY's hub, so the restriction to 3/4 destinations isn't a problem any more for Etihad - but another argument for not extending the bilateral, which would only help EK but massively German carriers (there's no level playing field in the competition with UAE carriers).

mk6127 · January 8th, 2012, 06:19 PM

Thank you Dase and Tricky. I will probably be there in 2nd week of June and I hope I'll not get lost there.

Deadeye Reloaded · January 9th, 2012, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hmueller2

the wooden parts together with the red signs and the marble floor look awesome!

+1
BER will have a very "warm" interior which will spread a cosy snugness to the visitors.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mk6127

Hello. How could I get to BER by a car? Will it be the same exit from autobahn as to Schoenefeld or different? I always go from Szczecin PL by A11 to 0km, heading to Frankfurt and on 53km turn to 113 north and several km's exactly to SXF. Will it be ok or not? And after opening BER will SXF be closed or still open for EU tracks?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustySword

I'm gonna use this beautiful airopost in the future

Interesting. Two Poles planning to use BER. This is proof that BER could become an important airport for passengers from the three big Polish cities Stettin, Posen and Breslau!

All three have very good Autobahn connections to Berlin so the travel time to BER is short and comfortable.

Dase · January 9th, 2012, 11:59 AM

^ Especially SXF already IS an important airport for Western Poland as can be spotted by the numerous minibusses and the parked cars with Polish numberplates. The joined airport operation, further growth and additional destinations that could otherwhise only be reached from the Western Polish airports by connecting somewhere will only raise the number.

mk6127 · January 9th, 2012, 02:42 PM

That's all beacuse SXF have a lot and good connections to UK. And this is the reason why I go there twice a year or more. I've got some friends in UK who comes to PL for holidays. The nearest airport for me is SZZ (ESPC), but there are connections only to Dublin.

I think I will park my car for many many hours and take a long walk on the airport.

January 6th, 2012, 07:04 PM	#524
way of thinking Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Hesse Pampa Posts: 212 Likes (Received): 0	2011 statistics 24,033,456 passengers (+7,7%) accumulated in both airports: TXL 16,9 Mio (+12,6%) and SXF 7,1 Mio (-2,5%) almost 243.000 aircraft movements ∅ 136 passengers/flight (2010: 133) average load factor 72,6% (+1,5%) 31.000 tons cargo (+16,1%) route towards MUC: 1.912.885 passengers (+5,2%) towards FRA: 1.794.173 passengers (+11,4%) towards LON: 1.362.771 passengers (+6,3%) towards New York: 233.355 passengers (+12,0%) within Europe: 14.834.183 passengers (+13,7%) transfer passengers at Berlin Airports: 4,1% (2010: 3,4%, 2009: 1,7%)

January 6th, 2012, 09:17 PM	#525
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Rohne Schwarzkutte Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Puffhaus Posts: 585 Likes (Received): 30	@Fabri88: SQ's upgauging SIN-FRA-JFK to A388, so it's very unlikely they will take use of these fifth freedom rights in the foreseeable future. And concerning Germany - UAE traffic, I think you don't have any information about the bilateral. The current Germany-UAE bilateral is not far from Open Skies: the carriers are granted fifth freedom rights (many Open Skies agreements don't include this), and the carriers may fly from as many starting points in their own country as they want with as much capacity and frequency as they want. The only restriction is the number of destinations in the other country, being limited to 3 (EK was already granted HAM as a fourth German destination by an exception rule, and it's likely that EY is granted the same if they apply to). If the UAE want more, they should offer more in return (but besides DXB, AUH and SHJ, I don't see any more potential UAE destinations that could be interesting for German carriers). In fact, AB tying up with EY will very likely hurt Berlin, as this will mean that AB will have to route nearly all of its asian traffic via AUH. While there was a slim chance that we might see AB open up new routes to major Asian cities, or - with AB's integration into OneWorld - some Asian carriers like JQ/3K/AK, JL or even CX starting flights to Berlin, this scenario has become rather unlikely now. The tie up additionaly means some kind of sidesteping the bilateral, as you might see AB flying from any major German city (except FRA, MUC, DUS and maybe HAM where Etihad flies to on its own) to AUH feeding EY's hub, so the restriction to 3/4 destinations isn't a problem any more for Etihad - but another argument for not extending the bilateral, which would only help EK but massively German carriers (there's no level playing field in the competition with UAE carriers). Last edited by Rohne; January 8th, 2012 at 01:17 PM.

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January 6th, 2012, 02:45 PM	#522
dreamery Girl of exhilaration Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 52 Likes (Received): 0	Some new impressions of the airport building under construction Source and Copyright: Berlin Airports

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milkyy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 32 Likes (Received): 0	Looks amazing!

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hmueller2 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: VIE, FRA Posts: 454 Likes (Received): 22	the wooden parts together with the red signs and the marble floor look awesome!

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cristof Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: BXL Posts: 1,102 Likes (Received): 5	when does it open? germany rocks

January 7th, 2012, 10:59 PM	#532
mk6127 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 10 Likes (Received): 0	Hello. How could I get to BER by a car? Will it be the same exit from autobahn as to Schoenefeld or different? I always go from Szczecin PL by A11 to 0km, heading to Frankfurt and on 53km turn to 113 north and several km's exactly to SXF. Will it be ok or not? And after opening BER will SXF be closed or still open for EU tracks?

January 8th, 2012, 12:33 AM	#533
Dase Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moscow / Berlin Posts: 506 Likes (Received): 18	^ It will be a little more quick as you will exit a few kilometers earlier on the A113. The new exit is already in use.

January 8th, 2012, 06:19 PM	#537
mk6127 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 10 Likes (Received): 0	Thank you Dase and Tricky. I will probably be there in 2nd week of June and I hope I'll not get lost there.

January 9th, 2012, 11:59 AM	#539
Dase Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moscow / Berlin Posts: 506 Likes (Received): 18	^ Especially SXF already IS an important airport for Western Poland as can be spotted by the numerous minibusses and the parked cars with Polish numberplates. The joined airport operation, further growth and additional destinations that could otherwhise only be reached from the Western Polish airports by connecting somewhere will only raise the number.

January 9th, 2012, 02:42 PM	#540
mk6127 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 10 Likes (Received): 0	That's all beacuse SXF have a lot and good connections to UK. And this is the reason why I go there twice a year or more. I've got some friends in UK who comes to PL for holidays. The nearest airport for me is SZZ (ESPC), but there are connections only to Dublin. I think I will park my car for many many hours and take a long walk on the airport.