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Old December 28th, 2009, 11:17 PM   #41
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well as kubajzo already said the real german hub is frankfurt with round about 54 mio pax - and even FRA will be expanded for 88 mio pax.
BBI is initially planned for 27 mio pax - if necessary BBI will be expanded to 50 mio pax (45 mio is already approved by a court)

in my opinion frankfurt will always be the main hub airport in germany. this coheres with the infrastructure and lufthansa, which are part owner of the airport. berlin will always be some kind of a "tourism airport" with better connections to the us and the pacific as the situation now.
but there will be alot of carrier flights from lufthansa to frankfurt.

BBI's trump card is the proximity to poland (more polish pax will use BBI) and the fact, that pacific flights will take 1 hour lesser.
the question whether BBI will be a hub airport depends on Lufthansa - and i think they will stay in FRA
..but who knows.....
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 11:00 PM   #42
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Quite interesting: some rumours regarding an Air Berlin Sky Team membership. This - if true - could effect all of europe`s alliance and hub structure. Connecting the dense innereuropean Air Berlin network with attractive intercontinental routes. Lufthansa wouldn`t like that scenario. Who would?

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Old January 3rd, 2010, 10:59 AM   #43
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Interesting idea, actually.

Frankfurt (and Munich) will be the two Lufthansa hubs in the future, too. BBI will probably be one of Air Berlins hubs.
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 11:13 AM   #44
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well as kubajzo already said the real german hub is frankfurt with round about 54 mio pax - and even FRA will be expanded for 88 mio pax.
BBI is initially planned for 27 mio pax - if necessary BBI will be expanded to 50 mio pax (45 mio is already approved by a court)

in my opinion frankfurt will always be the main hub airport in germany. this coheres with the infrastructure and lufthansa, which are part owner of the airport. berlin will always be some kind of a "tourism airport" with better connections to the us and the pacific as the situation now.
but there will be alot of carrier flights from lufthansa to frankfurt.

BBI's trump card is the proximity to poland (more polish pax will use BBI) and the fact, that pacific flights will take 1 hour lesser.
the question whether BBI will be a hub airport depends on Lufthansa - and i think they will stay in FRA
..but who knows.....
But FRA isn't a natural hub, if you look at all the other major hubs in Europe they are situated in capitol cities, Frankfurt ins't the capitol of Germany, Berlin is. I would guess given time, with govt travel and Berlin being a tourist destination Lufthansa might just have to consider moving a lot of ops to Berlin.
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 11:34 AM   #45
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But FRA isn't a natural hub, if you look at all the other major hubs in Europe they are situated in capitol cities, Frankfurt ins't the capitol of Germany, Berlin is. I would guess given time, with govt travel and Berlin being a tourist destination Lufthansa might just have to consider moving a lot of ops to Berlin.
The fact of being the national capitol is very much overrated for Germany. You are right, usually the capitol is also the national economic and cultural hot spot (e.g. Paris and London) but Germany is different. Frankfurt is situated in the middle of Germany's economically strongest areas as Rhein-Main, Rhein-Ruhr and Rhein-Neckar. This causes high yields due to Business and First Class trafic. Berlin is a tourist destination but tourist usually don't fly Business or even First class: Hence I assume that we won't see many intercont flights outbound Berlin in the future.
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 11:43 AM   #46
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Additionally Berlin is located in the area of Germany that has the lowest population density. 3 times as many people live within a 1.5-hour drive of FRA than live within the same distance to BBI.
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 12:01 PM   #47
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Some pix of the ongoing construction. Start of operations is planned for Oct. 30, 2011.

Tower:



Market place inside main terminal:



Main terminal:







Underground train station:

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Old January 4th, 2010, 10:21 AM   #48
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Awesome airport for the awesome city.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 01:08 PM   #49
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The airport will have two runways (3.600 and 4.000m) and an u-shaped terminal buidling (total length 1.415m) able to handle 65 boardings. Total capacity in 2011: 27 Mio. passengers.


Some more pictures from the Berlin Airports Website:

First parts of the terminal facade:



Low-cost part of terminal (350m):



Main Terminal and tower:

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Old January 6th, 2010, 09:46 PM   #50
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But FRA isn't a natural hub, if you look at all the other major hubs in Europe they are situated in capitol cities, Frankfurt ins't the capitol of Germany, Berlin is. I would guess given time, with govt travel and Berlin being a tourist destination Lufthansa might just have to consider moving a lot of ops to Berlin.
germany is not a centralistic country like britain or france. germany is like the US - washington isn't the major hub of the US air traffic either (the biggest airports are atlanta, chicago and LA).

lufthansa already said, it won`t create a third hub - after FRA`s expansion many flights will even move back from munich to frankfurt. berlin will be germany`s third biggest airport, it will never be a hub like MUC or FRA.


anyway, impressive pics. berlin might not be the biggest airport in germany in the future but certainly the most modern.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 04:11 PM   #51
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Thanks for those photos!
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Old January 9th, 2010, 04:19 PM   #52
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The fact of being the national capitol is very much overrated for Germany. You are right, usually the capitol is also the national economic and cultural hot spot (e.g. Paris and London) but Germany is different. Frankfurt is situated in the middle of Germany's economically strongest areas as Rhein-Main, Rhein-Ruhr and Rhein-Neckar. This causes high yields due to Business and First Class trafic. Berlin is a tourist destination but tourist usually don't fly Business or even First class: Hence I assume that we won't see many intercont flights outbound Berlin in the future.
Exactly. Being a capital city is just a title. What really matters is population, economic and cultural contribution of an area.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 05:45 PM   #53
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Don't you guys have snow over there in Germany? Not a trace of it in those pictures.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 05:49 PM   #54
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Don't you guys have snow over there in Germany? Not a trace of it in those pictures.
Sure there is snow. Check out the webcam.

http://www.berlin-airport.de/DE/BBI/...inewebcam.html
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 04:34 PM   #55
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Berlin Brandenburg Airport "Willy Brandt", scheduled Opening Oct. 30, 2011: new pictures from the Berlin Airports site:

Southern pier, new hub for homecarrier Air Berlin:




Northern pier, home of Easy Jet, Ryanair, Germanwings:




Main pier, home of Lufthansa:




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With a traffic volume down only two per cent in 2009 (21 million), BER did make quite well. Exciting to see what will happen in 2012.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:37 PM   #56
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Thx for posting!!! Amazing and huge terminal! Finally all carriers will be based in one place. Cant wait to experience this new airport, i adore Berlin and really happy for all locals and people visitng the city, that starting 2011 we will all have a chance to experience a new level of berliner hospitality!
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 03:40 AM   #57
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oh boy, they're going fast
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Old March 6th, 2010, 02:09 PM   #58
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Fantastic progress, thanks for posting

By the by, the airport is called Willy Brandt International now.


For current update shots, check this: http://www.berlin-airport.de/EN/Pres...hiv/index.html
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Old March 6th, 2010, 03:45 PM   #59
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Really impressive, thanks !
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