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Old February 6th, 2013, 06:55 AM   #801
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The Berlin Chamber of Commerce (IHK) wants enlargement at the BER,
even before the grand opening has been finalized...

Berliner Wirtschaft fordert schon jetzt den BER-Ausbau

Whoa, now that is a great expansion! Could you translate for me what those expansions are (numbered 1 to 3)? It's in German, that's why.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 08:19 AM   #802
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maybe they see the [email protected] dark-greens and nimbys are pulling @ MUC, so they wanna do it now before expansion is prohibited by provincial thinking setting in

strike while the iron's hot an all that
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Old February 6th, 2013, 03:40 PM   #803
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@fieldsofdreams:

Basically, those are the expansion plans that have always been colporated, it is unclear yet whethere they will truly be built before the airport gets finished.

1. Expansion of North and South Piers
2. Expansion of Pavillion for Check-In
3. 1st. Satellite

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Regarding tourists that might be right if you compare the two cities. However, Munich airport serves the whole of Southern Bavaria - the largest tourist destination in the country - , too, whereas BER would serve Berlin and some muddy plains around it.
Nevertheless, Berlin has higher local traffic than MUC already for a few years already. Berlin has no real competition in entire East Germany and Western Poland and is heavily used by passengers from that area. In 2011, one-and-half-a-million polish passengers departed from TXL and SXF. Apart from that, do you care to explain how the muddy areas around Berlin differ much from the hilly areas in Bavaria regarding poluation density? I can understand the argument in regards to Frankfurt or Rhine-Ruhr, but certainly not to Bavaria.


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Old February 6th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #804
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Whoa, now that is a great expansion! Could you translate for me what those expansions are (numbered 1 to 3)? It's in German, that's why.
please correct me if there's something wrong.
1: Expanding the North and South Piers.
2: Extension of the terminal with additional capacity at check-in, security checkpoints, baggage claim.
3: The construction of a Satellite Terminal with an underground tunnel.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 03:22 AM   #805
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@boden and @Dase, thanks for your translations. It really shows how much investments Berlin (and possibly the Federal Government) is willing to provide to modernize and improve its connectivity to the rest of Europe and the world... and I sense that Brandenburg will truly become an ultra-modern and efficient airport over time.

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Basically, those are the expansion plans that have always been [incorporated], it is unclear yet [if those] will truly be built before the airport gets finished.
I understand your concerns... (edited your sentence by the way for clarity)

I suspect that such add-ons may be necessary as the airport authority (and possibly the regional and Federal governments) projects passenger and cargo traffic growth over time, and it's good to have such additions done early on to be more prepared with a future onslaught of services to and from Berlin.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 03:12 PM   #806
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^ Actually, the current discussion about a pre-inaugauration expansion is not really based on long-term projections and, thus, preparation, but rather on short-term need. While the airport project has been postponed several times and the passengers numbers at Berlin airports grew exponentially during the past years, the projected stage-1 capacity has never really been adjusted, it's still at 27 Mio Pax/Annum. The fact that nobody knows whether the airport will open 2014 or 2015 combined with last years growth of 1+ Mio Pax to 25+ Mio Pax/Annum makes these expansion plans a requirement if the airport is not supposed to open at a maxed out capacity.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 02:43 PM   #807
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Hello friend
What is the news about BER ?
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Old February 12th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #808
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Lets build some more before we open the airport. What are they thinking? They should worry about opening the airport first and then build some more.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 01:52 AM   #809
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Wait, so if I read things right, they want to completely demolish this brand new and basically complete airport? Over the sprinkler system and a few escalators, something doesn't smell right.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 05:23 AM   #810
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No, they are not going to demolish it (that was just an opinion of a self-proclaimed "expert"). They are just thinking about a pre-inaugauration expansion.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 08:25 PM   #811
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No, they are not going to demolish it (that was just an opinion of a self-proclaimed "expert"). They are just thinking about a pre-inaugauration expansion.
Exactly and they don't need to demolish anything for the fire protection system. They found a solution, it was in the newspapers a few days ago - though i have only a german source:

http://www.morgenpost.de/flughafen-b...-gefunden.html

You guys should only listen to the people who are really working on the airport and not some headless chicken screaming around for showmanship.
So much misinformation surrounding this project - a shame.
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Old February 14th, 2013, 08:31 AM   #812
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Current thinking (speculation?) is:

- increase number of baggage reclaim belts from 8 to 12
- resurface the old (now northern) runway to avoid night shift work if the waited another 2-3 yrs when BER is prob open
- potentially extend the South and North Piers by 300m each to increase capacity by another 3m (to then about 30m total)
-OR even start work on a first satellite terminal (but less likely before the above are done).
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Old March 9th, 2013, 04:44 PM   #813
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Former Air Berlin head Hartmut Mehdorn has been appointed as the new chief of Berlin-Brandenburg Airport.
More info here and here.

Any comments on that from our German friends?
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Old March 11th, 2013, 01:18 PM   #814
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Excellent choice.

Mehdorn has also managed and reinvented the Deutsche Bahn,
a giant state-owned railway company. He is very experienced, hard-nosed
and has a large set of classic management skills.

Best man for the current challenges.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #815
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Old April 7th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #816
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when it's supposed to open?
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Old April 7th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #817
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when it's supposed to open?
Sometimes in this century
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Old April 8th, 2013, 01:13 AM   #818
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Most likely early to mid-2015
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Old April 8th, 2013, 05:04 AM   #819
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i was in berlin last year at the airport..its one of the worst airports u can imagine its tiny..their is a huge bus line in front, 1 city bus gets filled in seconds, the airport is just ugly no real views from landside...its amazing that the capital of germany can have such a crappy airport....but this is really long overdue and im looking forward to visting it in future the new BERLIN airport
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Old April 8th, 2013, 01:24 PM   #820
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Apart from that, do you care to explain how the muddy areas around Berlin differ much from the hilly areas in Bavaria regarding poluation density? I can understand the argument in regards to Frankfurt or Rhine-Ruhr, but certainly not to Bavaria.
The Bavarian "muddy plains" are a lot wealthier than Brandenburg, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Berlin and Western Poland hence you can assume more outbound tourism traffic. And Bavaria as a whole is much more attractive for inbound tourism than the area of BER (where it is basically limited to Berlin and very few other towns).
On the other hand, airport competition is fiercer in Bavaria, that is true.
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