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Old November 4th, 2014, 05:57 PM   #1001
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And it is still unknown (as far i know..) how a future satellite terminal will be connected to the mainterminal/entrance. They did not dig a tunnel for future plannings so they have to transfer passengers with buses later or open a new construction site which would block parking positions and taxiways.

In a tv documenary they said that they have changed too much while constructions and plannings so everything got messed up.
They cut and resized a lot of things to safe money..haha but now its too small and not enough.

Would have been much easier and cheaper when they planned that thing very generous overall.
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Old November 4th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #1002
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Perhaps the least bad option now is to open the new airport as is only fixing what absolutely need to be fixed and keeping one of the former airports open.
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 03:07 AM   #1003
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And we have an opening date!

It´s summer 2017 (or 2018).

On 12th of December there will be a press conference with more informations.

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Old November 23rd, 2014, 07:13 PM   #1004
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Yes, "no earlier than summer 2017" is sort of a date.

I've also read that the Gardermoen airport in Oslo (city population: 650,000, country population: 5 million) will have finished its expansion in 2017 as well, leaving it with a capacity of 28 million (it is currently serving 23-24 million annually). If BER opens in 2017, it will be with a capacity of 27 million, for a city of 3,500,000 inhabitants in a country with 81 million.
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 11:49 PM   #1005
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Well, Munich and Frankfurt airports are the german mainhubs. So it cannot be really compared.

And since BER will not open before 2017 we should close this topic lol.
Its becoming too embarrassing.
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 11:56 PM   #1006
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Actually, no. I will keep this thread open since I believe BER can become a strong hub, comparable to FRA and MUC. Look at how Air Berlin is doing, and imagine if AB strengthens its presence at BER once it opens full time...
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Old November 24th, 2014, 01:15 AM   #1007
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And we have an opening date!

It´s summer 2017 (or 2018).
That is way too generous. How about Summer 2020 at the earliest?
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Old November 24th, 2014, 03:24 AM   #1008
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Well, if we really think about a definite deadline for the opening then it´s 2024. It´s the year in which Berlin might be the host city of the summer olympic games.

On the other hand Berlin could get the olympic games four years later instead.
Then the absolute-definite-100%-opening-deadline would be of course 2028.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #1009
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If chuck Norris would built this airport, it would be open 15 years ago
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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:02 PM   #1010
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Actually, no. I will keep this thread open since I believe BER can become a strong hub, comparable to FRA and MUC.
It won't! For a number of reasons: (1) Air Berlin is not doing well at all; (2) There is no need for another hub besides FRA and MUC; (3) Not enough high-paying business traffic.

I could elaborate more but this has been discussed multiple times and the conclusion seems to be the same every time. To be clear, I'm not saying BER will not outgrow its planned capacity very soon. But it's going to be mostly O&D traffic.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 12:44 AM   #1011
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Well, if we really think about a definite deadline for the opening then it´s 2024. It´s the year in which Berlin might be the host city of the summer olympic games.

On the other hand Berlin could get the olympic games four years later instead.
Then the absolute-definite-100%-opening-deadline would be of course 2028.
If this airport opens in 2028, I will hold a massive protest rally at the airport preventing construction crews from coming to finish the airport. 2030 should be the official opening date at the earliest.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 12:25 PM   #1012
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If a project gets sufficiently delayed that is a real risk, people growing up in the neighbourhood would protest when they hear there are plans to open up an airport nearby...

There are many projects that have been delayed for some reason or other, commonly by running out of money. When they start up again years later, the protests resume, even though the process is finished, zoning is done, requirements fulfilled. In the meantime people have moved out and new people have moved in, and the old project forgotten, and the political climate has changed. I don't think it would happen in this case though.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 01:51 PM   #1013
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Look at how Air Berlin is doing ...
Heavily indebted?
Cancelling orders?
Reducing headcount?
They seem to exist merely at the grace of Etihad now.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 05:37 PM   #1014
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Awesome news from Germany´s most beloved capital city!

The newest opening date is sometime between June and September 2017!

Although not a single passenger used this airport until now it must be expanded with an additional new terminal for 8-10 million passengers in the next three years.

The current capacity of BER is 27 million passengers while 28 million pax will use Schönefeld and Tegel this year. So you see this thing is already too small although not opened yet.

The new terminal will be located on the northern side of the current one. The costs for this terminal and all other necessary expansions are estaminated with 177 million Euro.

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Old December 13th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #1015
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Expansion proposals (not yet agreed by the BER-stakeholders)

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Old December 13th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #1016
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I don't see this expansion as problematic at all. The costs are low (€ 177M), and BER was planned with the possibility of easily adding more gate capacity like that already. It is just it will have taken so long for it to open that it would have more demand by the time passengers start using it :p
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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #1017
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Opening date of 2017! Why even bother releasing a revised date this has only slipped several times in the past...
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Old December 16th, 2014, 11:59 AM   #1018
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Opening this new airport won't solve a bit the economical situation of Berlin, who never was the trully economical center of Germany! Won't atract more investment and developing, perhaps more turists. Frankfurt, Munich, Hamburg, Stuttgart will remain the economic poles, while Berlin the political stronghold.
Damn, not even after the reunification the government hasn't moved all ministers in Berlin, a lot of them remaining still in Bonn. So what are we talking about?
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Old December 16th, 2014, 01:32 PM   #1019
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Ideally, many banks and media firms would relocate from Frankfurt and Koln metro areas to Berlin, but that is difficult to achieve.
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Why would they relocate, when Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany and EU, the place of moneyprinting? C'mon, let's face it, Berlin, by paradox is the capital of most powerful country in Europe but not also the powerful city, like Madrid is to Spain, or Paris for France etc. Berlin has never been a financial city, but was kept as capital of Germany simply by historic reasons (imperial capital) or simbolic ones (fall of Berlin Wall, the iron curtain between occident and orient).
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