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Old December 16th, 2014, 03:41 PM   #1021
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That´s it. Unlike other metropolises Berlin needs money from other cities and federal states instead of being a wealthy motor for the whole country or just the greater hinterland.
Imagine London or Paris were the poor houses of Britain and France.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:32 AM   #1022
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Why would they relocate, when Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany and EU, the place of moneyprinting? C'mon, let's face it, Berlin, by paradox is the capital of most powerful country in Europe but not also the powerful city, like Madrid is to Spain, or Paris for France etc. Berlin has never been a financial city, but was kept as capital of Germany simply by historic reasons (imperial capital) or simbolic ones (fall of Berlin Wall, the iron curtain between occident and orient).

Not really a paradox. Financial hub of US is New York. Capital of US is Washington DC. Canada too, Toronto is the media and financial center, Ottawa is the capital
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Old December 17th, 2014, 12:49 PM   #1023
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Not really a paradox. Financial hub of US is New York. Capital of US is Washington DC. Canada too, Toronto is the media and financial center, Ottawa is the capital
Same thing goes in Italy. Roma is not the first, not the second, financial and industrial center. Or Australia.

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Maybe when BER open, Air Berlin can become a world airline, ordering many large planes like A350, B787 and maybe some A380.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 01:14 PM   #1024
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Ideally, many banks and media firms would relocate from Frankfurt and Koln metro areas to Berlin, but that is difficult to achieve.
Ideally for who? Yourself? It's funny how you phrase your wishes.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 03:03 PM   #1025
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Ideally for who? Yourself? It's funny how you phrase your wishes.
For Germany and Europe.

At least lack of a World-class premiere airport will stop being a bottleneck for that goal in 2017 (not that it is a major one)
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Old December 17th, 2014, 07:29 PM   #1026
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For Germany and Europe.

At least lack of a World-class premiere airport will stop being a bottleneck for that goal in 2017 (not that it is a major one)
And how is that related to Frankfurt and Köln companies to be relocated to Berlin?

It's even more puzzling as Berlin just can't to have this airport done and Frankfurt, München, Düsseldorf terminals can always be turned into a "world-class premiere airport" for whatever that means.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 07:33 PM   #1027
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Berlin needs an airline that makes it a global hub. A global airline hub helps businesses a lot. Else, Berlin might be on the category of major European cities that aren't that well connected, in the sad company of Milano and Barcelona.

Lufthansa won't make BER a major hub, so let's cross fingers for Air Berlin.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 07:37 PM   #1028
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Berlin needs an airline that makes it a global hub. A global airline hub helps businesses a lot. Else, Berlin might be on the category of major European cities that aren't that well connected, in the sad company of Milano and Barcelona.

Lufthansa won't make BER a major hub, so let's cross fingers for Air Berlin.
Again, I fail to see how well-established companies with HQs in Frankfurt and Köln are any how related to that.

Let's make it short: they don't care as much as yourself about the wide avenues of Berlin.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 07:56 PM   #1029
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Berlin needs an airline that makes it a global hub. A global airline hub helps businesses a lot. Else, Berlin might be on the category of major European cities that aren't that well connected, in the sad company of Milano and Barcelona. Lufthansa won't make BER a major hub, so let's cross fingers for Air Berlin.
Until yet, Air Berlin had a multi-hub-strategy. I guess the main hub is PMI. But there is a lot of other ones. That's why i think that FRA and MUC will stay clearly the big hubs in Germany. Let's first look at the year when the new BER-airport will open ;-)
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:01 PM   #1030
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There are plenty of countries where the capital is not the most economically most powerful city. US, Canada, Switzerland and Brazil just to name few. There are no detrimental effects to that. Although in the case of Berlin I think it will gradually become more important in this aspect as well.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:40 AM   #1031
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Maybe when BER open, Air Berlin can become a world airline, ordering many large planes like A350, B787 and maybe some A380.
I seriously doubt that Air Berlin will still be around by the time BER opens.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:34 PM   #1032
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I don't think any airport would propel Berlin into greater political or economic significance, while of course having insufficient capacity is a handicap.

Leaving aside the airport for a moment, the economic density (economic product per area) of the former DDR is low. Not only are there less people per km2, these people are relatively poorer than the rest of Germany. The same goes for the neighbours Poland and the Czech Republic. On the other hand these countries have higher economic (but not population) growth than the European average. Berlin is also as close as Hamburg to Copenhagen and Scandinavia (by air closer, to get back on topic).

As mentioned earlier Berlin is strategically placed relative to Russia, China, Japan, and the Koreas. A transfer via Berlin would save significant fuel and time relatively to a transfer viaFrankfurt or Munich. As long as the airport is capacity constrained (for our life times, by the look of it), that won't matter that much, besides direct routes are getting more popular than hub-and-spoke.

High-speed rail will also eventually let Berlin take advantage of its location in Europe. It wouldn't make Berlin the new Frankfurt, Frankfurt is the new Frankfurt, but Berlin has growth potential.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 11:10 AM   #1033
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There are plenty of countries where the capital is not the most economically most powerful city. US, Canada, Switzerland and Brazil just to name few.
True. The special thing about Berlin is, that the biggest city is that economically weak.
Even though its function as capital involves ministries, administration and embassies with amounts of high salaries as well as conferences and - at least symbolic - headquarters or subsidiaries of companies questing to be close to politics or adorning themselves with a capital address.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 10:03 PM   #1034
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PAX 2014 at German airports:

FRA 59.571.802 = +2,6%
MUC 39.700.515 = +2,7%
BER 27.990.000 = +6,3% (TXL/SXF)
DUS 21.800.000 = +2,9%
HAM 14.760.000 = +9,3%
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Old January 17th, 2015, 11:56 AM   #1035
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....BER is planned with an initial capacity of 27M
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Old January 18th, 2015, 10:40 PM   #1036
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....BER is planned with an initial capacity of 27M
Jep.

Thats why they will keep the old SXF terminal (7 mil capacity) open.

All in all BER + SXF are designed to handle 34 mil Pax, statistically.

Of course, it´ll be still too small considering the midterm growth …..
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Old January 18th, 2015, 10:51 PM   #1037
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They should sell Texel airfield, zone for for high-rises 200m or taller, and use the proceedings to expand BER.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 11:10 PM   #1038
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They should sell Texel airfield, zone for for high-rises 200m or taller, and use the proceedings to expand BER.
Why not move all operations to Texel, they do after all have a 1000+ grass landing strip!
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Old March 5th, 2015, 09:47 PM   #1039
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Ryanair will open a base at SXF next winter with 5 based aircrafts
http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ne...-73/?market=en
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 09:18 PM   #1040
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Any news on this place opening? This has gotten ridiculous.

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I found this unhappy tidbit.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/t...ency-1.2310086
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