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Old September 30th, 2015, 08:42 PM   #1061
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Berlin may not be as wealthy as Munich, but I wouldn't call it Detroit.
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Old September 30th, 2015, 09:25 PM   #1062
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You must be joking when comparing Berlin with Detroit. They have nothing in common other than not being the wealthiest cities in their respective countries.
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Old September 30th, 2015, 11:45 PM   #1063
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The income gap in Berlin is entirely to blame on the commies. Hopefully some decades from now Berlin becomes also the larges metropolitan economy and a leader in finance, technology and media.
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Old October 29th, 2015, 06:37 PM   #1064
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At least they are now finished with renovating the old Schönefeld runway that will become the North runway for the new airport someday. [Link]
And to the surprise of everybody it was done in time and in budget!

The target for opening the airport is still end of 2017...
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Old October 31st, 2015, 12:36 PM   #1065
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Berlin may not be as wealthy as Munich, but I wouldn't call it Detroit.

Detroit is not that bad, people need to let thge stereotype go.
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Old October 31st, 2015, 09:08 PM   #1066
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Berlin may not be as wealthy as Munich, but I wouldn't call it Detroit.
Surely it's not. Detroit is way wealthier and has a several times larger airport.
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 03:38 AM   #1067
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When Der Postillon has a much better solution to BER, you know there are some issues regarding this project management.
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Old December 23rd, 2015, 04:58 AM   #1068
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Old December 30th, 2015, 03:50 AM   #1069
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Old December 31st, 2015, 04:09 PM   #1070
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Surely it's not. Detroit is way wealthier and has a several times larger airport.
Way wealthier? Never ever.
A several times larger airport? No, TXL+SXF 28,000,000 Pax in 2014, DTW 32,000,000
BER will overtake DTW in 5-10 years!
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Old December 31st, 2015, 09:30 PM   #1071
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Should be above 29 million this year.

SXF will pass 10 million next year due to large expansion of Ryanair and the come back of germanwings on the domestic routes. TXL will be around 21-22 million as Lufthansa and airberlin won't expand much.
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Old January 1st, 2016, 02:07 PM   #1072
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From december 14 to november 15 29,300,000 PAX, I guess BER will boost, if it will open one day
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 12:45 PM   #1073
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Way wealthier? Never ever.
A several times larger airport? No, TXL+SXF 28,000,000 Pax in 2014, DTW 32,000,000
BER will overtake DTW in 5-10 years!
GDP

Detroit CSA -------------- US$ 275 billion
Berlin-Brandenburg ----- EUR 146 billion
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 12:51 PM   #1074
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Of course Detroit metro area is wealthier than Berlin.

Detroit is actually surrounded by quite wealthy suburbs. Berlin on the other hand is surrounded by east German wastelands.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 02:16 PM   #1075
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GDP

Detroit CSA -------------- US$ 275 billion
Berlin-Brandenburg ----- EUR 146 billion
Detroit CSA
$ 236 billion!
http://www.statista.com/statistics/1...it-metro-area/

Brandenburg: € 61 billion
http://de.statista.com/statistik/dat...urg-seit-1991/

Berlin: € 117 billion
http://de.statista.com/statistik/dat...lin-seit-1970/

combined: € 178 billion

The difference is not that bad!
Berlin was devided and cut off from its hinterland for almost 50 years , it will last at least 50 years to close this gap. Just 26 years are over now!
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 02:30 PM   #1076
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Berlin as a capital of wealthy country is a lot more likely to go up economically than Detroit which I don't think is or is likely to be any time soon in the most economically dynamic region of US.

Also Berlin has a good reputation. I've heard from a lot of people (not locals) that they love the place and wouldn't mind living there. Never heard the same about Detroit or its suburbs...
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 06:53 PM   #1077
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Berlin is economical crap. That's it. Basta.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 07:33 PM   #1078
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Wrong. that's the MSA numbers. The CSA was exactly the one provided by me, straight from the source (US/BEA):

----------------------------------------- 2014 ---------- 2010
Code:
DETROIT -------------------- 274,712 ----- 232,733 -- 18.0%
--- Detroit ---------------- 236,500 ----- 197,789 -- 19.6%
--- Ann Arbor --------------- 20,401 ------ 19,131 --- 6.6%
--- Flint ------------------- 13,200 ------ 11,900 -- 10.9%
--- Monroe ------------------- 4,611 ------- 3,913 -- 17.8%

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The difference is not that bad!
It doesn't matter. Refer to the context of my original post. LtBk said Berlin was no Munich but no Detroit either, to which I answered: it's no Detroit either, because Detroit is bigger, wealthier and handles more air traffic than Berlin.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 07:38 PM   #1079
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Berlin as a capital of wealthy country is a lot more likely to go up economically than Detroit which I don't think is or is likely to be any time soon in the most economically dynamic region of US.
That's wrong. Between 2010-2014, Detroit CSA GDP grew nominally 18% against 16% of national average. The region is also adding lots of jobs, and specifically about the city proper, they are watching lots of improvement, lots of people moving Downtown, etc.

Berlin, on the other hand, is way below the national average, despite all the huge government apparatus located there.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 08:09 PM   #1080
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BER may open in early March... 2018.
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"Bild am Sonntag" - Großflughafen BER kann erst 2018 eröffnen

Berlin (Reuters) - Die Eröffnung des Berliner Großflughafens BER verzögert sich einem Medienbericht zufolge erneut.

Der Flughafen südlich der Hauptstadt könne erst im März 2018 an den Start gehen, berichtete "Bild am Sonntag" vorab unter Berufung auf einen vertraulichen Terminplan des Projektsteuerers WSP CBP. Danach wurde Technikchef Jörg Marks über den Zeitplan am 01. September in einer E-Mail informiert.
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