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Old September 8th, 2016, 02:33 PM   #1121
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It's a shame, and though there were problems, how in my dear's name could it fail so dramatically?

In the meantime, between the originally planned date and now, we've seen a lot of new airports worldwide, such as some new for passengers:
2011: Lombok, Praya, Indonesia
2012: Kunming, Changshui, China
2012: Warsaw, Modlin, Poland
2013: Ishigaki, Painushima, Japan
2013: Hefei, Xinqiao, China
2013: Medan, Kualanamu, Indonesia
2014: Doha, Hamad, Qatar
And lots of other airports having had a major overhaul in runway layout and new terminals as is comparable with Berlin within these five years that have passed. Countless numbers of them in Asia. If the management was responsible for Medan in the same years, we'd probably see even some extra fatal crashes at Polonia, while in China they would have caused a city to lag horrendously behind in economy and accessibility to other Chinese cities.

It is however more than just the management, also count up the bankruptcy of Imtech. The airport became the centerpiece of the declining German engineering culture.

For this moment, expanding SXF is the least that could be done. At least the northern runway works.
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Old September 8th, 2016, 03:00 PM   #1122
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Some airlines have already been told they may continue in Tegel until at least 2023 and probably until 2030.
Opens the major airport BER on March 18, 2018 ?

According to one report, the Ryanair's marketing director Kenny Jacobs.
He said therefore - as of March 18, the opening day for the major airport BER - as if it were already a fixed date:

http://www.morgenpost.de/flughafen-b...aerz-2018.html
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Old September 8th, 2016, 03:34 PM   #1123
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March 18, the opening day for the major airport BER - as if it were already a fixed date:

http://www.morgenpost.de/flughafen-b...aerz-2018.html
Perfectly plausible but it is implausible that BER will open with its full capacity ( Allegedly 27m Pax) and that the old terminal to the north will shut completely on day one. Ryanair will certainly stay down there, they have c. 10 based aircraft in Berlin and probably 16-20 by 2018.

The word is that passenger wise new BER will do 21m, Schonefeld 6-8m and Tegel 8m and that getting BER to 40m and closing the other two will probably require a new BER terminal to the west after 2025.

The main change will be that Tegel becomes a noise restricted City airport with very few based aircraft and strict noise curfews by 2019 and with mainly narrowbody traffic.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 10:37 PM   #1124
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For this moment, expanding SXF is the least that could be done. At least the northern runway works.
Is there a way SXF could use the southern runway as well?
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Old September 16th, 2016, 01:32 AM   #1125
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Looks like it is in use your majesty.

https://binged.it/2cADXhb

EDIT The Aerial Imagery is from Summer 2012, 4 years ago.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 11:28 AM   #1126
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 12:50 PM   #1127
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Berlin Passengers October 2016:

TXL 1.973.237 -1,5%
SXF 1.170.567 +36,9 %
BER: 3.143.804 +10%

12-Months-Data 11/15-10/16

BER: 32.426.609 +3.385.295 / +11,66%
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Old November 24th, 2016, 12:51 AM   #1128
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Wow, not long and they may catch up with Munich and become second airport of Germany.

If they didn't mess up BER so much and already started with satellite terminal expansion they could be #2 already. Lufthansa is just one of the airlines that plans to offer long haul if BER is finished.

IMO, the biggest danger to Berlin are the Berliners. The city runs basically by itself and would just boom without end if it wasn't for the incompetence and provincial thinking of its inhabitants.
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Old December 16th, 2016, 12:46 PM   #1129
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Goschio, let's rephrase that shall we!?... it's not the inhabitants but the politicians! Big difference mate! Thanks.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 03:40 AM   #1130
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I cannot believe this new Berlim airport hasn´t entered in commercial service yet!!

Specially in a so organized and eficient country such as Germany.

Here in Brazil it would be absolutaly normal a public facility like this to have its put in production date delayed in 10 years or so...

I hope they solve this problem soon because Berlim deserves a state of the art airport terminal.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 05:16 PM   #1131
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I strongly think that most of that delay is made on purpose, cause it is almost impossible that people responsible for opening that airport had no power to open it within last four years. Who has a business in delaying the opening date? Hmm, I am not sure in 100%, but I think the dealer by the table is Lufthansa.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 08:01 PM   #1132
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No way they can close Tegel if they are already at 32.5m. That's for sure.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 08:30 PM   #1133
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shocking news

I have some SHOCKING news for you all:

The man responsible for pulling Berlin’s fiasco of an international airport out of the mud has said that there is almost no chance it will meet its already delayed 2017 opening deadline.
Karsten Mühlenfeld told Tagesspiegel on Thursday that it is much more likely that Berlin Brandenburg Airport (BER) will open in the spring of 2018.

The chances of the air hub being open for business in the autumn of 2017 “are extremely limited by this stage” he admitted.

He said that discussions with construction companies did still offer a glimmer of hope that the 2017 deadline could be reached and that “we won’t give this goal up.”

“If the airport doesn’t open in October or November then at the earliest it’ll be when the flight timetables change at the end of March (2018),” he said.

Mühlenfeld explained that switching flights from Tegel airport in the north of the city to BER in the south during the winter would be too dangerous.

Berlin authorities have pledged that the airport will open in autumn 2017, six years behind schedule. A major cause of the delay has been problems with fire detection systems which did not meet national fire safety standards.

An internal report seen by Bild earlier in the year suggests that the airport is unlikely to open before 2019, with work crawling along at a snail's pace.

One former project planner for the airport has even suggested that the airport will never open due to complications involved in rebuilding its fire safety systems.

https://www.thelocal.de/20161230/ber...g-slim-to-zero
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 09:28 PM   #1134
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No one sane will ever say that it will open in 2017. There must be a reason Schoenefeld terminals were extended this year:
http://www.berlin-airport.de/en/comp...-sxf/index.php

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Expansion of Schönefeld Airport

Expansion of Schönefeld Airport will continue to meet growing passenger numbers. In total 48.8 million euro will be invested over 2016 and 2017. Terminal D, the new arrivals terminal,was opened this morning. Terminal B has already been extended. Renovation of Terminals A and D should start after receipt of planning permission in the second quarter of 2017.
http://www.berlin-airport.de/en/pres...-fbb/index.php

This construction is the biggest defeat for the one thing the Germans could be proud off - the well known all over the world engineering excellence only equaled by the Japanese. What a disappointment.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 09:42 PM   #1135
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Schoenefeld is a very cramped site with very little parking apron (and is beside the new airport sharing its runways).

If it can safely handle 12m pax a year as a low cost terminal I would be amazed. That apron area is seriously small.

see > https://binged.it/2iXBgXe

Of course Ryanair and Easyjet will try to stuff it beyond belief but 12m is about the safe limit with based a/c doing long days, less PAX if a/c are not based there.

Add 12m at Schoenefeld and 27m design capacity in Brandenburg and they might handle 39m. Berlin will reach that number of passengers by 2018. It won't be far off by end 2017.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 10:30 PM   #1136
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This is fast becoming the biggest airport construction fiasco in history. This could realistically top Montreal-Mirabel as the biggest waste of public funds in airport construction ever
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 01:36 AM   #1137
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This is fast becoming the biggest airport construction fiasco in history. This could realistically top Montreal-Mirabel as the biggest waste of public funds in airport construction ever
I think it already has. At least Mirabel is operating.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 03:41 AM   #1138
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I think it already has. At least Mirabel is operating.
No it isn't, it is a movie set nowadays with a few runways and an aircraft factory attached.

The airlines moved back into the old Montreal Airport a few years back.

Berlin is different as passenger demand will surely continue to grow unlike the crazy economics behind the development of Mirabel. Berlins problem is keeping up with genuine demand so that is why Tegel will not close down for at least 10 years.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 08:58 AM   #1139
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No it isn't, it is a movie set nowadays with a few runways and an aircraft factory attached.

The airlines moved back into the old Montreal Airport a few years back.

Berlin is different as passenger demand will surely continue to grow unlike the crazy economics behind the development of Mirabel. Berlins problem is keeping up with genuine demand so that is why Tegel will not close down for at least 10 years.
Mirabel is the 6th largest cargo airport in Canada.

The "aircraft factory" you are referring to has allowed the city to become one of the fastest growing in Canada and become an aerospace center. From 17k residents in 1996, the population has increased to more than 50k in 2016 and this is indirectly thanks to the airport.

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Old January 4th, 2017, 05:17 AM   #1140
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Mirabel is the 6th largest cargo airport in Canada.

The "aircraft factory" you are referring to has allowed the city to become one of the fastest growing in Canada and become an aerospace center. From 17k residents in 1996, the population has increased to more than 50k in 2016 and this is indirectly thanks to the airport.
It is still a boondoggle but it seems to have found a niche.

Berlin isn't even running. And no end in sight. People should be in jail for this.
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