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Old May 9th, 2010, 02:24 PM   #101
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so what do our chinese forumers think when they see the u/c pics?

IMO it looks tiny compared to whats going on in the PRC.

Do you like it?
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Old May 10th, 2010, 01:48 AM   #102
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so what do our chinese forumers think when they see the u/c pics?

IMO it looks tiny compared to whats going on in the PRC.

Do you like it?
I'm not Chinese, but I guess every country has to build according to its needs and figures. Berlin is not very populated, compared to the Chinese megapolises. This airport is not small, and I guess it's adequate to the city. Nay, I'm sure it is, planners are not stupid nor corrupt over there.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 01:50 AM   #103
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Germany's 2nd largest airline after Lufthansa, Air Berlin, announced yesterday that they will add 3 new long-haul routes at Berlin Airport from October this year: to Dubai (3 weekly flights initially), to Miami (x2) and to Mombasa/Kenya (1x). This is good news as Air Berlins stated that they want to build up capacity in time for the opening of this new airport late next year, which they intend to develop into a 'hub'. Berlin currently isn't served by too many airlines providing direct intercontinental routes - the 2 major 'hubs' in Germany currently are Frankfurt and Munich. Lufthansa already stated they want to continue focusing on those 2 hubs rather than developing a 3rd one (which is a shame for Berlin). But at least 'Air Berlin' is loyal to its home base. ... and hopefully, one day, Emirates will be allowed to fly there too, and airlines such as Singapore, Thai, Malaysia and JetStar (Qantas) offer direct services to Berlin also (note: flying times from Berlin to East / Southeast Asia are 1 hour less than from other western European hubs!!).
Lufthansa should take care. Air Berlin will be in a comfortable position with the new Berlin airport hub.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 09:46 PM   #104
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LH has FRA and München, and additionally Zürich, Wien and Mailand. More than enough hubs. They can't be everywhere. So why should they take too much care about AB and their BER decisions? Berlin is not the kind of market Lufthansa essentially needs, especially not for building a hub there. It's an LH focus city and that's just the right size. No need for LH long haul routes from Berlin.
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 10:24 PM   #105
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Old May 24th, 2010, 03:35 PM   #106
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this airport looks boring .... and cheap. the design looks like "08/15" ...
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Old May 24th, 2010, 04:48 PM   #107
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this airport looks boring .... and cheap. the design looks like "08/15" ...
Well, it's the best you can get if one is asked to spend public money sensibly - Berlin has no oil (like the gulf states), and no deep pockets like some Asian cities. So in light of that it's actually not too bad.

Also, if you compare the design with say Hochtief-built airport designs (like Athens) you'll notice that this publicyly-built one in Berlin is actually a lot better (IMO). And the new terminal 3 in FRA will look fairly similar I think (in terms of style / design, a close resemblance to Berlin's 'Nationalgalerie' exhibition building). The days of spending $/EUR billions on expensive architects in Europe are over. I'd even argue that Madrid is lucky to have a fairly new and very fancy terminal - if the GFC and sovereign-debt woes hit the PIIGS states earlier, I'm sure the design would have suffered somewhat as well. ... Savings and Cost Reductions are the 'flavour of the month' now.

Let's just wait until it's all finished to make a final judgement.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #108
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this airport looks boring .... and cheap. the design looks like "08/15" ...
BER is an airport built on common sense!!!
It is functionally, expandable, affordable and well connected to the public transport system.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 02:52 PM   #109
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^ Actually, the terminal has quite a few references to Bauhaus and the museum island in the inner city, so it's not just a matter of cheapness, but simply a Berlin-Style-Thingy. Tent roofs and organic shapes aren't. The renderings show that it's actually quite precious in detail and the combination of long distance and regional rail, low cost and regional carriers under one roof is unmatched.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 08:18 AM   #110
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I'm still getting an Athens-vibe from BBI, I would have loved to see something closer to the Berlin Hauptbahnhof, or FRA T2 imo. It looks a little lackluster in reality vs renderings.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 12:28 AM   #111
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Germany's 2nd largest airline after Lufthansa, Air Berlin, announced yesterday that they will add 3 new long-haul routes at Berlin Airport from October this year: to Dubai (3 weekly flights initially), to Miami (x2) and to Mombasa/Kenya (1x). This is good news as Air Berlins stated that they want to build up capacity in time for the opening of this new airport late next year, which they intend to develop into a 'hub'. Berlin currently isn't served by too many airlines providing direct intercontinental routes - the 2 major 'hubs' in Germany currently are Frankfurt and Munich. Lufthansa already stated they want to continue focusing on those 2 hubs rather than developing a 3rd one (which is a shame for Berlin). But at least 'Air Berlin' is loyal to its home base. ... and hopefully, one day, Emirates will be allowed to fly there too, and airlines such as Singapore, Thai, Malaysia and JetStar (Qantas) offer direct services to Berlin also (note: flying times from Berlin to East / Southeast Asia are 1 hour less than from other western European hubs!!).
There are reasons why Asian airlines are adding flights to London and launching new flights to Munich. Helsinki is even a better Europe - Asia transfer hub. Emirates with its daily A380 flight will be more than enough to cover Berlin - Asia traffic.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 09:02 AM   #112
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Old June 21st, 2010, 09:50 PM   #113
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There are reasons why Asian airlines are adding flights to London and launching new flights to Munich. Helsinki is even a better Europe - Asia transfer hub. Emirates with its daily A380 flight will be more than enough to cover Berlin - Asia traffic.
and yet air berlin has started new asian links, and is planning to add more in the future. there must be demand, if they do so.



I don't understand how anyone can call this airport cheap. it's timeless and elegant. typical new german architecture. which incidentally isn't new at all (see 20's architecture in germany, modernism, bauhaus, etc...).
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 04:26 AM   #114
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and yet air berlin has started new asian links, and is planning to add more in the future. there must be demand, if they do so.

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Air Berlin has been talking about a lot of plans. The key word here is "talk."

Charter flight holiday destinations in Asia are NOT Seoul, Singapore, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc. Beijing is a code-share destination.

Emirates is currently flying to 42 destinations in the entire Asia. I doubt Air Berlin and BBI can match Emirates' network.
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 07:55 PM   #115
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What does Emirates' asian network have to do with AB or BER?
Europe's intercontinental hubs are already established: North America is Heathrow and Frankfurt, South America is Madrid, Africa Paris-CDG and Asia is Frankfurt. BER will find its niche as Brussels or Helsinki did, but its far from becoming as important for any region as London, Frankfurt or Paris.
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Old June 27th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #116
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BER to open in June 2012

BER will open in June 2012 - seven months later than previously planned.
New security demands for BER made the opening impossible on the planed date of Oct. 30, 2011.

Berlin Mayor said it would have been too risky to ignore the new security measures just to open the airport on time, calling the delay "a good compromise."

The security checking facilities at BER are now being modified to comply with the new European Union regulations which come into effect on April 2013. The planners have slightly redesigned the terminal to include the security lines in a modified configuration, as well as two additional buildings on the left and right of the terminal.

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Old August 3rd, 2010, 02:26 PM   #117
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"Berlin Airports welcomes Air Berlin’s accession to the Oneworld alliance."

http://www.berlin-airport.de/EN/Pres...AirBerlin.html

In my eyes the future AB-membership in Oneworld offers Berlin´s new airport "Willy Brandt" some opportunities for development. Possibly some long haul routes could be established through the years like flights to ORD (Chicago O´Hare) or another ones to JFK (New York), to AMM (Amman), to DEL (Delhi), to HND or NAR (Tokyo) or to HKG (Hong Kong)? In Codesharing with the Oneworld member airlines like American Airlines, Cathay Pacific, JAL, Royal Jordanian and Kingfisher (who will enter the alliance next year) this is standing to reason, I suppose.

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Old August 6th, 2010, 01:52 AM   #118
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"Berlin Airports welcomes Air Berlin’s accession to the Oneworld alliance."

http://www.berlin-airport.de/EN/Pres...AirBerlin.html

In my eyes the future AB-membership in Oneworld offers Berlin´s new airport "Willy Brandt" some opportunities for development. Possibly some long haul routes could be established through the years like flights to ORD (Chicago O´Hare) or another ones to JFK (New York), to AMM (Amman), to DEL (Delhi), to HND or NAR (Tokyo) or to HKG (Hong Kong)? In Codesharing with the Oneworld member airlines like American Airlines, Cathay Pacific, JAL, Royal Jordanian and Kingfisher (who will enter the alliance next year) this is standing to reason, I suppose.
For Cathay, the Air Berlin membership will probably accelerate its plan to launch passenger flights to Munich. Cathay has been wanting to launch passenger services to Munich for quite sometime and it has been offering scheduled freighter services to MUC for a while. Cathay tends to fly to destinations with high premium O&D traffic. Air Berlin also flies to many destinations in Germany and the rest of Europe from Munich.

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Old August 6th, 2010, 02:01 AM   #119
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What does Emirates' asian network have to do with AB or BER?
It is about the ongoing obsession with making Berlin another intercontinental gateway like Frankfurt many Germans have.

One daily Emirates A380 flight from Berlin will give Berlin daily one-stop connections to 42 Asian destinations.

I doubt that Berlin can have as many daily nonstop flights to Asia as Munich has.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 05:17 AM   #120
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I doubt that Berlin can have as many daily nonstop flights to Asia as Munich has.

Never will happen. Don't think anybody seriously expects that.

But Berlin might establish itself as third hub comparable to Dusseldorf. This would be great progress for Berlin as it is now mainly a domestic and charter airport.
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