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Old May 26th, 2017, 03:00 PM   #1221
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The rest of Terminal 1 has some unique features.
For istance, have you ever seen three steps after the escalators?



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Old May 26th, 2017, 06:48 PM   #1222
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Old May 27th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #1223
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May be not a bad idea if the cost keeps going up but why not Germany company handles it.

About US$5 billion changed hands . If they handled it right ... $0.00.

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https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/artic...e-des-BER.html

Maybe the specification was not clear ( contractors get to keep the change if they can save costs ). Usually ( cost more ) ...

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Old June 17th, 2017, 01:02 AM   #1224
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This has got to go down in history as the worst airport debacle ever, right?? Has any other airport anywhere in history had this many delays, for as long, with as much cost overrun??
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Old June 19th, 2017, 02:59 PM   #1225
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This has got to go down in history as the worst airport debacle ever, right?? Has any other airport anywhere in history had this many delays, for as long, with as much cost overrun??
Manila airport's international terminal took 10 years after near-completion to open. It was built by Fraport, also a German company.

The delay was largely due to a legal issue (the consortium that got Fraport to build and operate the terminal was unqualified to bid for the project). Nonetheless the public was appalled by how the thing was horribly built--collapsing ceilings, cracking tiles, narrow pre-departure areas, failing power facilities, just to name a few structural issues. Opening was further delayed since some sections had to be retrofitted. In the end taxpayers had to shoulder the cost for the repairs and the compensation due to the builders.
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Old June 20th, 2017, 10:22 PM   #1226
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This has got to go down in history as the worst airport debacle ever, right?? Has any other airport anywhere in history had this many delays, for as long, with as much cost overrun??
Hmm, what about Montreal-Mirabel ?
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Old June 20th, 2017, 11:54 PM   #1227
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Manila airport's international terminal took 10 years after near-completion to open. It was built by Fraport, also a German company.

The delay was largely due to a legal issue (the consortium that got Fraport to build and operate the terminal was unqualified to bid for the project). Nonetheless the public was appalled by how the thing was horribly built--collapsing ceilings, cracking tiles, narrow pre-departure areas, failing power facilities, just to name a few structural issues. Opening was further delayed since some sections had to be retrofitted. In the end taxpayers had to shoulder the cost for the repairs and the compensation due to the builders.
Is it Fraport's fault? I did some research and lot of blame is on a third party contractor.
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Old June 22nd, 2017, 05:45 AM   #1228
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Thank God no Slavs were involved. Talk about horrible engineers
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Old July 21st, 2017, 09:39 PM   #1229
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Green light for new €100m Berlin Brandenburg terminal

Yup, airport expanding before it's even opens

With the “new” Berlin Brandenburg (BER) airport still to open after an initial launch date of 2010, its supervisory board (which oversees the existing Schönefeld and Tegel airports) has given the go-ahead for the construction of terminal T1-E.
As part of the long-term planning—and due to the fact that BER may not open until 2019—the board is looking at how to meet growing future capacity demands. It is projected that the airport will handle 55 million passengers by 2040.
The new Terminal T1-E “lite” will be built directly south of the north pier at BER in an area already enabled for usage, and will be connected with bridges. It is designed to handle up to six million passengers at a cost of €100m/$113.5m and is expected to be operational by the first half of 2020.

The BER expansion programme is being updated by way of a master plan, and is described as “a first step towards long-term expansion.” According to the board, a situation analysis has been carried out resulting in 15 scenarios to take into account factors such as traffic projections, operations and commercial developments. A full results report will be available at the beginning of 2018.

Flughafen Berlin Brandenburg (FBB) CEO Engelbert Lütke Daldrup said: “Our foremost aim continues to be getting Berlin Brandenburg airport connected to the network as quickly as possible. All the same, we must still look to the future and develop the airport location on a long-term scale. With the master-plan, we are taking necessary strategic steps ahead of time.”

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Old July 21st, 2017, 11:26 PM   #1230
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Seriously? These people are ridiculous. They did not even manage to give a date for the current project opening and they throw a date for the new terminal into our faces. That is just outrageous. Maybe they should focus on finishing what they started (assuming that they are even capable to do that). They should be under no circumstances tasked with new construction as it seems to be obvious that they are not able to handle it.
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Old July 22nd, 2017, 10:26 AM   #1231
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Yup, airport expanding before it's even opens
That's actually a sound decision, one I hoped they would dare to make.

It will never again be as easy to expand the airport as now, when it is non-operational. The expansion should hopefully be faster, cheaper, safer and not interfere too much with the reconstruction of the original airport.
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Old July 23rd, 2017, 09:18 AM   #1232
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That's actually a sound decision, one I hoped they would dare to make.

It will never again be as easy to expand the airport as now, when it is non-operational. The expansion should hopefully be faster, cheaper, safer and not interfere too much with the reconstruction of the original airport.

That was the original plan . At least they are not interfering the original airport - maybe for another decade .
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Old July 23rd, 2017, 11:51 AM   #1233
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That was the original plan . At least they are not interfering the original airport - maybe for another decade .
Optimist...
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Old August 28th, 2017, 12:42 PM   #1234
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The BER is still in construction (repair) modus. Right now nobody expects an opening date before 2019. But because of increasing air traffic future development plans have been revealed.

The Airport company has published a plan to built up new terminal structures in order to cater passengers up to 58 million in 2035 (2016: 33 million passengers in Berlin). The red areas on the map are the future developments:






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Old August 28th, 2017, 05:26 PM   #1235
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Ahhh the German sense of humor...
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Old August 29th, 2017, 06:53 AM   #1236
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Ahhh the German sense of humor...
It's a brilliant airport...too bad it was grabbed by socialist career politicians who brought in a cheap labour force to save money for their failed budget plans, who weren't able to read the construction plans properly
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Old August 29th, 2017, 08:13 AM   #1237
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This is actually very sad story. But the future plans look promising. IMO, its best now to look forward and be optimistic. Once its open it will be a great airport.
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Old August 29th, 2017, 02:28 PM   #1238
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Another plan. Please note that this layout is most likely to adapted in the coming months or even years....

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Old August 29th, 2017, 11:03 PM   #1239
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What is number 6 (aufbau eines Personentransportsystems)?
Is this kind of automated people mover? According to the plans it will connect terminal 2 and terminal 1E with something outside the plan. What is the aim of that?
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Old August 30th, 2017, 12:58 PM   #1240
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It's ridiculous and embarassing to talk about an expansion now! They are not able to start even the first phase of the airport. When you have a look on the time schedule. 2018 -2021.... funny. They want to start the expansion before it is working at all.
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