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Old August 31st, 2017, 03:28 PM   #1241
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It's ridiculous and embarassing to talk about an expansion now! They are not able to start even the first phase of the airport. When you have a look on the time schedule. 2018 -2021.... funny. They want to start the expansion before it is working at all.
The main problem of the airport is located in the main terminal unit. So building new landside facilities to support the already use airside building is the most easiest way to meet the growth of passenger demand.

BTW if we wait for phase 1 finished, Lufthansa may be insolvency already.

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Old August 31st, 2017, 04:04 PM   #1242
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When you have a look on the time schedule. 2018 -2021.... funny. They want to start the expansion before it is working at all.
That tells us Tegel will remain open until 2021 earliest so. I reckon it might not close down until 2030 or so.
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Old August 31st, 2017, 07:13 PM   #1243
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Today they announced that construction would be finished around autumn 2018. BER shall be opened one year after that - autumn 2019. They need one year for testing different operating procedures and so on.
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Old August 31st, 2017, 09:37 PM   #1244
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Today they announced that construction would be finished around autumn 2018. BER shall be opened one year after that - autumn 2019. They need one year for testing different operating procedures and so on.
2019? The exact declaration is:

"'This year, FBB will state the opening date of BER."

http://www.publicnow.com/view/C5A33E...+01:00-xxx8410

In addition, the last 8 years the FBB officially stated an opening date at least four times.....
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Old September 2nd, 2017, 10:53 PM   #1245
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The schedule includes both the residual work and the subsequent expert assessments, which form the prerequisites for the formal start of the control and principle inspection at BER as required by the planning law. The schedule envisages a completion of these activities before the end of August 2018. This work will be followed by the intensive testing of the final official control and principal inspection, group tests for operational processes, and ORAT (Operational Readiness and Airport Transfer) commissioning.
This article mentions nearly the same information as I posted except the few months difference. But hey, those few months don't make a big difference any more, do they?.

When they are now talking about plans to extend the airport, it seems to me that they are getting closer to a "real" opening date. Otherwise it would be ridiculous.
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Old September 4th, 2017, 07:56 PM   #1246
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The Berlin vs Beijing airport race is tightening. The latter is slated to finish construction next year and open for traffic in 2019. (To recap, it started construction December 2014, long after this thread began.)

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(Yicai Global) Aug. 31 -- Workers completed framework construction for the main structure of the Beijing Daxing International Airport’s integrated transport center yesterday.

The transport center has three major parts -- a central hub, a parking facility and a service building -- and covers an area of 503,000 square meters on the North side of the main terminal, The Beijing News reported.

The hub links high-speed rails, subways, intercity rails and highways and will provide access for departing and arriving passengers.

The parking area is a four-story structure with 5,345 spots, including 600 spaces with charging stations for electric vehicles.

The center has a passenger service and commercial facilities that are directly connected to the rail stations and services building. The hotels offer more than 560 rooms, and airlines and supporting units can use the business offices.

Among airports of similar size, Beijing Daxing International Airport, whose name has not been made official yet, boasts hotels and offices closest to the terminal -- about 600 meters from its center.

Engineers used a concrete floor in their designs because it will be able to handle vibrations generated by the high-speed trains that will pass below the terminal at 250 kilometers per hour.

In the next phase of the transport center’s buildout, workers will put up steel structures, metal roofing and glass curtain walls.

The airport’s main project is scheduled to be completed by the end of next year and it is scheduled to open by 2019.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 06:55 AM   #1247
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To be fair, Chinese huge work force allow them to finish jobs faster than anyone else. But i would be an embarassment if Daxing opens first.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 09:03 AM   #1248
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If they had hired some out of work Berlin project managers to do the work in Daxing no work force could save them.

I wonder what it would be like knowing that you have cost society billions of euros and nearly a decade of delay.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 03:19 AM   #1249
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If they had hired some out of work Berlin project managers to do the work in Daxing no work force could save them.

I wonder what it would be like knowing that you have cost society billions of euros and nearly a decade of delay.
and unfortunately some people will not give a... especially people who made money from it anyway.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 09:23 AM   #1250
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The Airport company has published a plan to built up new terminal structures in order to cater passengers up to 58 million in 2035 (2016: 33 million passengers in Berlin).
These fast expansion studies are a big joke. They were ordered by the current airport manager, a former city planner, rough sketches which can't be taken seriously. Nothing more than a campaign in the course of the Tegel referendum. In that case reasonable.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #1251
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My concept to keep Berlin Tegel Airport open:





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Old September 24th, 2017, 06:57 PM   #1252
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Berlin Votes Today.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41361655

It looks like Tegel will be kept open, in practical terms it should be an 8am-8pm airport only with no a/c based there overnight (except bizjets on government business)

Airlines were told as early as 2015 that they could stay in Tegel as long as it was not a base...Berlins reputation will be badly damaged if Tegel closes in the next 10 years.

In 10 years time Brandenburg may finally be able to handle 40-50m pax per annum which is where Berlin is heading, but not before then,
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Old September 26th, 2017, 12:36 AM   #1253
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Berlin Votes Today.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41361655

It looks like Tegel will be kept open, in practical terms it should be an 8am-8pm airport only with no a/c based there overnight (except bizjets on government business)

Airlines were told as early as 2015 that they could stay in Tegel as long as it was not a base...Berlins reputation will be badly damaged if Tegel closes in the next 10 years.

In 10 years time Brandenburg may finally be able to handle 40-50m pax per annum which is where Berlin is heading, but not before then,
In 10 years Brandenburg will be not completed
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Old September 27th, 2017, 12:10 AM   #1254
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The Vote in Berlin was 56 to 44 to keep Tegel open.
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Old November 5th, 2017, 02:53 AM   #1255
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So is actual, constant, non-stop, daily, work taking place at this airport?? Does it really take YEARS to fix a smoke extraction system so it passes code??
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Old November 5th, 2017, 04:24 PM   #1256
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So is actual, constant, non-stop, daily, work taking place at this airport?? Does it really take YEARS to fix a smoke extraction system so it passes code??
They are to embarrassed to admit it but a faster way would have been a complete demolishing of the new terminal building and start over from scratch, probably it would have been cheaper to.

Ths will go down as one of the worst managed infrastructure projects in the history of humanity.
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Old November 5th, 2017, 07:53 PM   #1257
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To be fair, Chinese huge work force allow them to finish jobs faster than anyone else. But i would be an embarassment if Daxing opens first.
The Daxing terminal has ~4x more floor space .

Maybe Changi's terminal 4 is a better comparison ( 2014-2017, ~ U$722 million ).

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Old November 12th, 2017, 04:49 PM   #1258
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To be fair, Chinese huge work force allow them to finish jobs faster than anyone else. But i would be an embarassment if Daxing opens first.
The size of the work force isn't the problem at BER. The reason why this is a never ending story is bad construction design, even worse execution, incompetence and corruption.

With that toxic mix, the Beijing airport would never open, unless all safety issues and regulations are ignored, in which case there might be an utter disaster with countless victims in some years down the road.

I am pretty sure Daxing opens first.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:39 AM   #1259
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Lufthansa will not use BER as a hub because it is too small. Neither Air Berlin (acquired by Lufthansa):

https://www.br.de/nachrichten/luftha...z-aus-100.html
https://www.welt.de/regionales/berli...Drehkreuz.html
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:52 AM   #1260
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I wonder if CPL near Baranów will open first... BER could be a feeder airport for that one if it does.
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