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Old January 27th, 2016, 12:33 PM   #2741
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Sukhois have EU engines. CSeries have US engines.
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Old January 27th, 2016, 12:43 PM   #2742
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Sukhois have EU engines. CSeries have US engines.
Sukhoi has many US components as well.

Anyhow, for now the orders went to Airbus and ATR
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Old January 27th, 2016, 01:48 PM   #2743
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I agree with you that alcohol is not a driving factor.

Abbas Akhoundi said in 5 to 7 years Iran wants to compete with regional cariers (Emirates, Etihad, Qatar Airways, Turkish Airlines).

So Iran Air and Mahan Air have quite a lot to do. The below are a must for Iran to have any chance:


1. Modern aircraft to reduce operating costs.

Iran is buying modern planes but ideally an airline should operate only on type of manufacturer to reduce costs even more.

i.e.
Long haul: 787-10, 787-9, 787-8
Medium-haul: 787-8, 737 Max 9
Short-haul: 737 Max 8, 737 Max 7 / CS300, CS100

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Long haul: A380, A350-900
Medium-haul: A330-900neo, A330-800neo, A321neo
Short-haul: A320neo, A319neo / CS300, CS100
IranAir has always operated both Airbus and Boeing, Fokker doesn't produce anymore.
EK, QR, TK and etc. all have both Airbus and Boeing as well.



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2. Iranian planes need IFEs and Wifi

This is a big issue on long flights and wifi cannot filter all news websites.
Which they will get and most probably Wifi won't be filtered in international airspace, only when entering Iran or even if that's not possible, they won't filter it at all.

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3. Iran Air and Mahan Air need new terminals
They will build them, but such an investment is only logic when IranAir gets enough demand and profits, which for isn't the case for now.

However, I might be wrong, we'll wait and see what the expansion plans are.

MahanAir is still under sanctions as I've heard and it's CEO is on the interpol list.

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Iran wants to upgrade IKA but how can they both have their own terminals in 5 years the way Iran does these projects?
Consider decades of embargoes, corruption and bribery and you'll have your answer.

Now that they'll grant the project to foreign investors, the work will be done with international standards which makes corruption and bribery less possible.

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Also, the terminals need to become more friendly and the security lines need to be operated differently.
They will, specially now that most likely the French or the Dutch will build it.


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4. Airlines need to become part of the major airline alliances
I agree, star alliance seems like a good option as TK is with them and Iranian Airlines have always been closer to TK comparing to Gulf carries.

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I just feel with the people running Iran this is not likely. They just have no experience of how to run professional airlines. Iran sucks at hospitality.
The Islamic Republic has realized that it needs to do reforms in order to stay in power, this is why they negotiated with the US in first place, second of all, it needs the money coming from tourism.

We will see some fundamental changes in Iran in the coming years and the coming elections are one to watch.

IranAir might be the only airline to know how to run and manage an airline as it has more than 50 years experience and had a lot of prestige before the revolution.

Iranian crew are much more friendly than most European carriers I flew on.
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Old January 27th, 2016, 01:52 PM   #2744
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MahanAir is still under sanctions as I've heard and it's CEO is on the interpol list.
Apperently the CEO is removed from there, not sure about Mahan Air as a company though

http://www.bloombergview.com/article...iran-arm-assad
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Old January 27th, 2016, 02:00 PM   #2745
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Apperently the CEO is removed from there, not sure about Mahan Air as a company though

http://www.bloombergview.com/article...iran-arm-assad
Thanks, I'll take a deeper look into that
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Old January 27th, 2016, 07:44 PM   #2746
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A LOT OF GOOD NEWS:

5 airlines starting flights to Tehran http://www.aviationiran.com/2016/01/...ehran-flights/
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Old January 27th, 2016, 09:30 PM   #2747
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How can it be possible that BA can launch London-Tehran within two months, but Mahan could not do it for two years? That is incredible and frustrating to see...
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Old January 27th, 2016, 09:50 PM   #2748
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How can it be possible that BA can launch London-Tehran within two months, but Mahan could not do it for two years? That is incredible and frustrating to see...
Mahan Air obviously have internal problems now. They also delayed the Copenhagen launch, which I wrote about in a previous article.
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Old January 27th, 2016, 10:49 PM   #2749
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KLM IS BACK TO IRAN!

http://www.aviationiran.com/2016/01/...rs-iran-again/
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Old January 27th, 2016, 11:01 PM   #2750
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A LOT OF GOOD NEWS:

5 airlines starting flights to Tehran http://www.aviationiran.com/2016/01/...ehran-flights/
Only JAL and ANA fly long haul, JL was in THR till 79, ANA have never served Middle East region, I would have expected them to be in Dubai or Istanbul but they didnt even go there with charters, so not really sure if IKA will happen but you never can tell.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 12:44 AM   #2751
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I have never said that it's not possible for Iran to get Bombardiers.

I argued that Sukhoi is more effecient as it's cheaper and has lower operation costs for smaller Airlines like Kish air and Zagros and etc.

Also remember that those airlines are not government owned and have to purchase those planes themselves unlike IranAir, which means that budget is important to them

Besides Canada hasn't yet officially lifted sanctions on Iran, it is planning to do so, but hasn't so for done it yet.

I can only tell you shat I read in the news, and at that time, there was no plan to acquire Cseries

I'll answer your other post later today.
You said that Canada was against Iran and that it would not happen.

My whole point is no one is against Iran. Those countries just care about their business interests.

As long as we are not sanctioned and act like a civilized country, everyone else will do business with us.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 12:51 AM   #2752
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IranAir has always operated both Airbus and Boeing, Fokker doesn't produce anymore.
EK, QR, TK and etc. all have both Airbus and Boeing as well.
Well Iran does not have the money and it is much cheaper to run with one manufacturer.
So I disagree with you on this. We need to cut cost and be efficient.


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They will build them, but such an investment is only logic when IranAir gets enough demand and profits, which for isn't the case for now.
I agree but they claim they want to compete in 5 years. If they are serious it needs to be built now.


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The Islamic Republic has realized that it needs to do reforms in order to stay in power, this is why they negotiated with the US in first place, second of all, it needs the money coming from tourism.

We will see some fundamental changes in Iran in the coming years and the coming elections are one to watch.
I think you are very optimistic.

Iran negotiated because sanctions would have led to a collapse.

I can't see any signs of reforms. For Khobregan 10% of candidates do not even have an opponent. It is getting worse and worse.


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Again I feel your optimism is a little unfounded. Most of those people are no longer with Iran Air. Mehrdad Parvaresh the CEO has little background.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 12:56 AM   #2753
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Consider decades of embargoes, corruption and bribery and you'll have your answer.

Now that they'll grant the project to foreign investors, the work will be done with international standards which makes corruption and bribery less possible.
Did the Iranian State not grant the management of IKA to a foreign consortium and then the Revolutionary Guards took over the airport and did not allow the contracted consortium possession of the contract. All that around 7 or 8 years ago...not in 1979 or anything.

If compensation was not paid in full with penalties and interest by the state to that foreign consortium then nobody is going to build anything in Iran what with the Revolutionary Guards waiting to squat it at gunpoint as soon as it is built.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 12:57 AM   #2754
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BA is great news as I am not really keen on flying Persian Gulf airlines.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 12:58 AM   #2755
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Did the Iranian State not grant the management of IKA to a foreign consortium and then the Revolutionary Guards took over the airport and did not allow the contracted consortium possession of the contract. All that around 7 or 8 years ago...not in 1979 or anything.

If compensation was not paid in full with penalties and interest by the state to that foreign consortium then nobody is going to build anything in Iran what with the Revolutionary Guards waiting to squat it at gunpoint as soon as it is built.
They paid high compensations.

Everything this backward regime does costs Iran a lot of money.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 01:05 AM   #2756
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They paid high compensations.

Everything this backward regime does costs Iran a lot of money.
Well if they paid full compensation then other international consortia might take a chance on them. Especially the Italians, you will love some of their construction companies and their financial backers.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 04:46 AM   #2757
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One thing that Iran Air and Mahan Air needs to consider: both Iman Khomeini International Airport in Tehran and Mashad International Airport--the two busiest airports in Iran--are located at over 3,000 feet in altitude and are subject to the "hot and high" operating conditions. As such, they'll need airliners that have "hot and high" certification to operated out of these two airports between May and September.

In short, they'll need A320 Family planes with uprated engines, along with A330's and possibly A350XWB's similarly rated. If Sukhoi Superjet 100 is sold to Iranian airlines, they will need uprated SaM 146 engines certified for "hot and high" operations.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:05 PM   #2758
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The agreement for*118*new aircraft signed by Mr Farhad Parvaresh, Iran Air Chairman and CEO, includes 21*A320ceofamily, 24*A320neo family,*27*A330ceo family,*18*A330neo (-900),*16*A350-1000*and*12*A380.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ail/iran-deal/
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:55 PM   #2759
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Wow!!! 12 A380 is awesome! But i think it will take some time until they they fly for IR since IKA is not ready for A380 right now
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #2760
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Wow!!! 12 A380 is awesome! But i think it will take some time until they they fly for IR since IKA is not ready for A380 right now
IKA better hurry, A380s are coming soon (3-4 years)
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