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Old November 30th, 2016, 02:38 AM   #3081
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I'm not familiar with the financing solutions e.g. Embraer offers for their jets, but the US Treasury's move could push fwd an E-Jet family deal. Or maybe it's a backdoor move from Boeing, as they were in talks with Japanese and Brazilian banks over financing their jets.

US Treasury Assures Brazilian Banks of Iran Trade

A senior Brazilian official said the US Treasury Department has given assurances that Brazilian banks can do trade with Iran without fear of sanctions.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2...-of-iran-trade

Of course I'm not at all familiar how reliable these sources are.

There is so much speculation going on hard to wait out the facts.
I dont understand why the US government is so rattled about giving Iran new planes? If they were concerned about terrorist attacks from using as weapons ...... Iran already has Boeing 747s or planes that could fly over and attack our country but they dont. So if they get a shinny new plane they are going to? i dont get it.
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Old November 30th, 2016, 04:17 AM   #3082
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Follow me. Iran has not even taken a spare A340 off Airbus (they have 20 available) on a short term deal to develop a high density route. No dry leases or wet leases, in fact no modern planes at all. Not even an ATR-72 to do an internal route somewhere.

So why exactly do they urgently 'need' 100 Airbuses and 100 Boeings again????
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Old December 1st, 2016, 12:32 AM   #3083
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I dont understand why the US government is so rattled about giving Iran new planes? If they were concerned about terrorist attacks from using as weapons ...... Iran already has Boeing 747s or planes that could fly over and attack our country but they dont. So if they get a shinny new plane they are going to? i dont get it.
Because there is some hyprocrit congressmen which are very proud of what they did in Iraq in 2003 and with their pockets filled with $$$ from two middle east countries lobbies (that don't like iran) :
One of these country brought peace, love, stability in this region since its creation. It claims to be the only democracy of the region but elect a far right warmonger since years. Warmonger claiming every 6 months since 20 years that Iran is at 1 year to get a nuclear weapon. Warmonger giving a speech in front of US congress to criticize the US current president. Warmonger that don't respect UN and nuclear resolutions but want Iran to respect them.

The second one is a heaven for human rights. They are even much worse in this aspect than Iran but these honest congressmen just see Iran human right problems. Some people of this country did the biggest terrorist attack on US soil, the head of this terrorist organization was from this country aswell. Not a word about it.
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Old December 1st, 2016, 10:13 AM   #3084
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After seeing recent events in America's politics, I won't question their lack of logic. I do however think the pressure from other middle eastern carriers has something to do with it.
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Old December 2nd, 2016, 08:10 AM   #3085
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Carrier isn't only deal that could save thousands of jobs

As President-elect Donald Trump touts a deal to save Carrier factory work Thursday, a bill passed by the GOP-led House could undermine his campaign promise to create new American jobs.

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The House action Nov. 17, which largely fell along party lines, adds to the Iran deal's overall uncertainty given Trump as a candidate has called the larger nuclear pact "the worst deal ever negotiated." The proposed measure was received in the Senate this week and read twice before being referred to a committee.

pecifically, H.R. 5711 would block U.S. financial institutions including the Export-Import Bank from participating in the financing of the Boeing planes. It was sponsored by Republican Rep. Bill Huizenga of Michigan, who in introducing the measure said the U.S. State Department previously concluded Iran "is the world's foremost state sponsor of terrorism" and that the Treasury found it to be "a jurisdiction of primary money laundering concern."

Back in September, the Treasury Department had approved a license for Boeing and its rival Airbus to sell passenger jets to Iran Air. The financing is seen as a critical element to complete the Boeing sale, and if the House prevails in blocking it, Airbus could benefit since it already has an agreement with a foreign leasing firm to finance aircraft to Iran.

There is a way around the U.S. bank hurdle for Boeing's Iran deal, but it would require the airline manufacturer to go overseas for financing as was done by Airbus.

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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/01/carri...s-of-jobs.html

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Old December 2nd, 2016, 08:13 AM   #3086
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I'm not familiar with the financing solutions e.g. Embraer offers for their jets, but the US Treasury's move could push fwd an E-Jet family deal. Or maybe it's a backdoor move from Boeing, as they were in talks with Japanese and Brazilian banks over financing their jets.

US Treasury Assures Brazilian Banks of Iran Trade

A senior Brazilian official said the US Treasury Department has given assurances that Brazilian banks can do trade with Iran without fear of sanctions.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2...-of-iran-trade

Of course I'm not at all familiar how reliable these sources are.

There is so much speculation going on hard to wait out the facts.
Not fresh news but, AFAIK it wasn't posted here before:

Embraer expects US OK for Iran plane sales

Brazil's Embraer, the world's third largest maker of commercial planes, says it is hopeful to get the go-ahead from the US to sell planes to Iran.

Reuters quoted an unnamed Embraer spokesman as saying that the company expects the US Treasury Department to issue a license for it – like the one it issued for France’s aviation giant Airbus – to move ahead with a plan to sell at least 20 of its E-195 jets to the Islamic Republic.

The value of the deal is estimated to be over $1 billion.

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http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/11...an-plane-sales
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Old December 2nd, 2016, 12:17 PM   #3087
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Carrier isn't only deal that could save thousands of jobs

As President-elect Donald Trump touts a deal to save Carrier factory work Thursday, a bill passed by the GOP-led House could undermine his campaign promise to create new American jobs.

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The House action Nov. 17, which largely fell along party lines, adds to the Iran deal's overall uncertainty given Trump as a candidate has called the larger nuclear pact "the worst deal ever negotiated." The proposed measure was received in the Senate this week and read twice before being referred to a committee.

Specifically, H.R. 5711 would block U.S. financial institutions including the Export-Import Bank from participating in the financing of the Boeing planes. It was sponsored by Republican Rep. Bill Huizenga of Michigan, who in introducing the measure said the U.S. State Department previously concluded Iran "is the world's foremost state sponsor of terrorism" and that the Treasury found it to be "a jurisdiction of primary money laundering concern."

Back in September, the Treasury Department had approved a license for Boeing and its rival Airbus to sell passenger jets to Iran Air. The financing is seen as a critical element to complete the Boeing sale, and if the House prevails in blocking it, Airbus could benefit since it already has an agreement with a foreign leasing firm to finance aircraft to Iran.

There is a way around the U.S. bank hurdle for Boeing's Iran deal, but it would require the airline manufacturer to go overseas for financing as was done by Airbus.

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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/01/carri...s-of-jobs.html

Let's hope for the best!
The fate of the bill can be followed here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...ouse-bill/5711
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Old December 2nd, 2016, 09:45 PM   #3088
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The fate of the bill can be followed here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...ouse-bill/5711
"(Sec. 301) This bill shall cease to be effective 30 days after the President certifies to Congress that the Government of Iran has ceased support for acts of international terrorism."

lol these b4$t4rd$ congressmen are really shameless. You won't hear them about an other country doing much worse than Iran, and even on US soil.
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Old December 3rd, 2016, 12:00 PM   #3089
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Regarding this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyoQGmiXcAQgMCD.jpg Al Maha did not recieve approval from Saudi and are not based there, the fleet is being repainted into Qatar livery some claim.
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Old December 10th, 2016, 11:38 AM   #3090
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French Aviation Firms Gauge Iran Opportunities


Representatives of French firms were in Tehran for a three-day visit ending Wednesday to offer solutions in the fields of aerospace maintenance and airport infrastructure, and explore business opportunities in talks with major Iranian airlines, suppliers and MRO companies.

The mission included representatives of firms active in maintenance, repair and operations, manufacture of parts and equipment, airport security, aeronautics and ground support equipment, namely Aerotech Pro, Dedienne Aerospace, Laselec, LOGYX, PGA Electronic, Reel, Techman Head and Toulouse Air Spares.

The mission visited officials of Iran Air, Aseman Airlines, Civil Aviation Organization of Iran, Iranian Aviation and Space Association, and Payam Cargo Airport and Special Economic Zone.

In a telephone interview with the Financial Tribune, Eric Le Devehat, sales manager at Techman-Head, said the aim of the visit was to “renew the relationship the company had with Iranian airlines before the sanctions”.

Techman-Head produces a comprehensive range of products and services for ground support equipment from quick-release pins to test benches, tripods, engine trolleys and all the aviation tools required for aircraft maintenance.

The meetings, according to Le Devehat, were limited to preliminary discussions though.

“The next step would be to give another visit next year to go deeper,” he said, hoping the next trip to Tehran will be before March, when the Iranian year ends.

“Iran is a big market,” El Yakin Di Mamba, sales manager at Reel, manufacturer of complex lifting and handling systems and integrated system solutions, told FT on Wednesday. “There are a lot of needs” in Iran’s aviation market.

Specializing in aerospace applications, the company boasts expertise in the development and manufacture of equipment for aircraft assembly and maintenance.

Iranian companies “need to improve their MRO operations” and they “are willing to have good collaboration,” he said.

Di Mamba said his company plans to open an office in Tehran.

“We are looking for long-term relationship with Iran,” he said.

The Reel manager added that his company is planning to authorize Iranian companies to produce some of the equipment domestically.

“This will give confidence to airlines and authorities” in doing business with Reel. However, there still remain challenges and ambiguities. “The challenge is how to define a good solution to finance those projects,” Di Mamba said. “Also, there are a few question marks about the sanctions.”

Financial hurdles are among the reasons for Iran’s failure in finalizing deals with French plane manufacturer Airbus and its American rival Boeing.

https://financialtribune.com/article...-opportunities
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Old December 11th, 2016, 02:33 PM   #3091
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Representatives of both companies signed off on the purchase of 50 narrow-bodied 737s and 30 long-range 777s in Tehran on Sunday, IRNA said. Boeing has received final approval from the U.S. government, the agency cited a company official as saying. The aircraft will be delivered over 10 years, according to Parvaresh.
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Iran signs $16.6 billion deal for 80 Boeing planes: IRNA

IranAir said it signed a deal on Sunday to buy 80 passenger planes from U.S. aircraft maker Boeing (BA.N), state news agency IRNA reported, in the biggest U.S.-Iran deal since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

The agency quoted Farhad Parvaresh, the chairman of Iran's flag carrier, as saying that the 10-year deal included 50 Boeing 737 aircraft and 30 777 planes.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ir...-idUSKBN1400CR
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No 747s...
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Old December 11th, 2016, 02:42 PM   #3094
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Iran signs $16.6 billion deal for 80 Boeing planes: IRNA

IranAir said it signed a deal on Sunday to buy 80 passenger planes from U.S. aircraft maker Boeing (BA.N), state news agency IRNA reported, in the biggest U.S.-Iran deal since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

The agency quoted Farhad Parvaresh, the chairman of Iran's flag carrier, as saying that the 10-year deal included 50 Boeing 737 aircraft and 30 777 planes.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ir...-idUSKBN1400CR
Boeing, Iran Air Announce Agreement for 80 Airplanes

$16 billion milestone agreement includes widebody, single-aisle aircraft

Contract reached within terms of U.S. Government license

New orders will support nearly 100,000 U.S. jobs

SEATTLE, Dec. 11, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Iran Air announced an agreement today for 80 aircraft that includes 50 737 MAX 8s, 15 777-300ERs and 15 777-9s, valued at $16.6 billion at list prices.

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http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-12-...r-80-Airplanes
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Old December 11th, 2016, 04:15 PM   #3095
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Old December 11th, 2016, 06:44 PM   #3096
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Explicitly mentioning such a large number of jobs in the press release makes it very clear why it's firmed up right now, although it nowhere's says it's firmed up, just like the AirBridgeCargo 747 deal. But nevermind, mentioning these American jobs they are pushing the president elect and it's new administration + the congress not to block the nuclear deal or not to reinstate the sanctions.


The article also states that the deliveries will begin in 2018. Which is quick after the 'order' is placed, especially for a 1st time order. But it also means that it's not a rush job, both Boeing and Iran are rushing for very quick deliveries. That's one difference with the Airbus deal, which should already have seen deliveries this year.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 07:01 PM   #3097
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Explicitly mentioning such a large number of jobs in the press release makes it very clear why it's firmed up right now, although it nowhere's says it's firmed up
Its not firmed up till its firmed up.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ir...-idUSKBN13217W (November 7th)

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Old December 11th, 2016, 08:26 PM   #3099
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I don't understand anything with this saga : Iran agreed with airbus/Boeing since +6months ago, and every months they is a so called new agreement on the same contract.

I don't speak about US approval
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It's not your average order, there are still too many hurdles to make it a firm order straight away. For example, there might be government approval for the order, but the financing of these orders is still under subject of other sanctions and approvals. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these Iranian order will not even be placed by Iranian airlines but by the leasing companies from other countries, like the UAE or Singapore that will play a big large role in the financing part.

We'll know more on Thursday when Boeing updates it's weekly order update. Having said that, the deal with Airbus that was re-announced last month also wasn't firmed up yet.


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I don't think Boeing is going to sell A380s to Iran.
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