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Old December 29th, 2016, 02:48 AM   #3141
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Didn't two of them crash in the last 3 years?
Same happened with 737-800, some crashed within a short span of a few years, didnt send operators scrambling to replace them, including the airlines involved, nor affect sales.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 11:10 PM   #3142
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 02:50 AM   #3143
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 03:09 AM   #3144
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Same happened with 737-800, some crashed within a short span of a few years, didnt send operators scrambling to replace them, including the airlines involved, nor affect sales.
That is a horrible argument.

You need to look at statistics of how many 737 or A320s fly versus how few ATRs before you make that argument.

The Concorde was the safest airline and after one crash became one of the unsafest.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 03:10 AM   #3145
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Iran gives up its project to purchase sukhoi superjet
Let's hope. No Russian planes please.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 02:45 AM   #3146
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Welll fact remains ATR is the most popular aircraft out there, nothing else compares regardless of crashes, no airline has any issues with it, infact more are becoming first time ATR operators.

As for 738, a slew of accidents took place over a span of a decade or even less, involving that version of the 737, should have ruffled feathers but it didnt.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 02:59 PM   #3147
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Old January 4th, 2017, 06:17 PM   #3148
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What does that pic have to do with Iran aviation? this one taken in Dubai of a Kuwait airline.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 06:30 PM   #3149
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Landing video of IranAir's Airbus A321

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Old January 4th, 2017, 06:53 PM   #3150
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What does that pic have to do with Iran aviation? this one taken in Dubai of a Kuwait airline.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 08:53 PM   #3151
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Personnally I wouldn't like to fly with such plane
Why? They're one of the most used and reliable planes out there.
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Old January 5th, 2017, 08:39 AM   #3152
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Welll fact remains ATR is the most popular aircraft out there, nothing else compares regardless of crashes, no airline has any issues with it, infact more are becoming first time ATR operators.
Which fact? Based on what?

Also saftey is not important?

You sound like IR officials.
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Old January 5th, 2017, 01:56 PM   #3153
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ATR-42 was introduced in 1985 (31 years ago). 454 have been produced to date. 8 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus three other occurrences, two hijackers dead, a cargo plane crash and a pilot who boarded alone and committed suicide)

ATR-72 was introduced in 1989 (27 years ago). 896 have been produced to date. 8 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus two other occurrences, a cargo plane crash and a ferry flight with only crew on board)


in comparision:
the BAE ATP was introduced in 1988 (28 years ago). Only 64 have been built until production ended in 1996). 2 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

DASH-8-100/200 was introduced in 1984 (32 years ago). 449 have been built until production ended in 2005. 4 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

DASH-8-300 was introduced in 1989 (27 years ago). 267 have been built until production ended in 2009. 1 has been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

DASH-8-400 was introduced in 1998 (18 years ago). 531 have been produced to date. 1 has been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

Dornier-328 was introduced in 1993 (23 years ago). 217 have been built until production ended in 2000. 1 has been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

Embraer 110 was introduced in 1973 (43 years ago). 501 have been built until production ended in 1990. 48 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus 20 more crashes during cargo, training or ferry flights)

Embraer 120 was introduced in 1985 (31 years ago). 354 have been built until production ended in 2001. 13 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus a fatal crash during a training flight)

Fokker-27 was introduced in 1958 (58 years ago). 586 have been built until production ended in 1987. 74 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus 20 more crashes during cargo, training or ferry flights)

Fokker-50 was introduced in 1987 (29 years ago). 213 have been built until production ended in 1997. 6 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

Saab-340 was introduced in 1983 (33 years ago). 459 have been built until production ended in 1999. 4 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.


So, roughly:

DASH-8-400: 1 fatal passenger crash every 531 built.
DASH-8-300: 1 fatal passenger crash every 267 built.
Dornier-328: 1 fatal passenger crash every 217 built.
Saab-340: 1 fatal passenger crash every 115 built.
ATR-72: 1 fatal passenger crash every 112 built.
DASH-8-100/200: 1 fatal passenger crash every 112 built.
ATR-42: 1 fatal passenger crash every 57 built.
Fokker-50: 1 fatal passenger crash every 35 built.
BAE ATP: 1 fatal passenger crash every 32 built.
Embraer 120: 1 fatal passenger crash every 27 built.
Embraer 110: 1 fatal passenger crash every 10 built.
Fokker-27: 1 fatal passenger crash every 8 built.

(ATRs combined: 1.350 built and 16 crashes, 1 every 84 built.)
(DASH-8s combined: 1.202 built and 6 crashes, 1 every 200 built.)


And a stupid calculation of mine (years of service * number built / fatal crashes)
DASH-8-400: 9.558
DASH-8-300: 7.209
Dornier-328: 4.991
Saab-340: 3.786
DASH-8-100/200: 3.592
ATR-72: 3.024
ATR-42:1.759
Fokker-50: 1.029
BAE ATP: 896
Embraer 120: 844
Fokker-27: 459
Embraer 110: 449

(ATRs combined: 2.615)
(DASH-8s combined: 6.410)


While arguably the DASH-8 plays in its own leage in terms of safety, the ATRs have pretty much a normal safety rate, in line with many other popular turboprops. Way better than some other ones (Fokkers-27 included, wich PIA operated before the ATRs).
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Old January 6th, 2017, 12:14 AM   #3155
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Landing video of IranAir's Airbus A321

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Old January 8th, 2017, 12:57 AM   #3156
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ATR-42 was introduced in 1985 (31 years ago). 454 have been produced to date. 8 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus three other occurrences, two hijackers dead, a cargo plane crash and a pilot who boarded alone and committed suicide)

ATR-72 was introduced in 1989 (27 years ago). 896 have been produced to date. 8 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus two other occurrences, a cargo plane crash and a ferry flight with only crew on board)


in comparision:
the BAE ATP was introduced in 1988 (28 years ago). Only 64 have been built until production ended in 1996). 2 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

DASH-8-100/200 was introduced in 1984 (32 years ago). 449 have been built until production ended in 2005. 4 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

DASH-8-300 was introduced in 1989 (27 years ago). 267 have been built until production ended in 2009. 1 has been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

DASH-8-400 was introduced in 1998 (18 years ago). 531 have been produced to date. 1 has been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

Dornier-328 was introduced in 1993 (23 years ago). 217 have been built until production ended in 2000. 1 has been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

Embraer 110 was introduced in 1973 (43 years ago). 501 have been built until production ended in 1990. 48 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus 20 more crashes during cargo, training or ferry flights)

Embraer 120 was introduced in 1985 (31 years ago). 354 have been built until production ended in 2001. 13 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus a fatal crash during a training flight)

Fokker-27 was introduced in 1958 (58 years ago). 586 have been built until production ended in 1987. 74 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.
(plus 20 more crashes during cargo, training or ferry flights)

Fokker-50 was introduced in 1987 (29 years ago). 213 have been built until production ended in 1997. 6 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.

Saab-340 was introduced in 1983 (33 years ago). 459 have been built until production ended in 1999. 4 have been lost in passenger service resulting in fatalities.


So, roughly:

DASH-8-400: 1 fatal passenger crash every 531 built.
DASH-8-300: 1 fatal passenger crash every 267 built.
Dornier-328: 1 fatal passenger crash every 217 built.
Saab-340: 1 fatal passenger crash every 115 built.
ATR-72: 1 fatal passenger crash every 112 built.
DASH-8-100/200: 1 fatal passenger crash every 112 built.
ATR-42: 1 fatal passenger crash every 57 built.
Fokker-50: 1 fatal passenger crash every 35 built.
BAE ATP: 1 fatal passenger crash every 32 built.
Embraer 120: 1 fatal passenger crash every 27 built.
Embraer 110: 1 fatal passenger crash every 10 built.
Fokker-27: 1 fatal passenger crash every 8 built.

(ATRs combined: 1.350 built and 16 crashes, 1 every 84 built.)
(DASH-8s combined: 1.202 built and 6 crashes, 1 every 200 built.)


And a stupid calculation of mine (years of service * number built / fatal crashes)
DASH-8-400: 9.558
DASH-8-300: 7.209
Dornier-328: 4.991
Saab-340: 3.786
DASH-8-100/200: 3.592
ATR-72: 3.024
ATR-42:1.759
Fokker-50: 1.029
BAE ATP: 896
Embraer 120: 844
Fokker-27: 459
Embraer 110: 449

(ATRs combined: 2.615)
(DASH-8s combined: 6.410)


While arguably the DASH-8 plays in its own leage in terms of safety, the ATRs have pretty much a normal safety rate, in line with many other popular turboprops. Way better than some other ones (Fokkers-27 included, wich PIA operated before the ATRs).
That just means turboprops are not as safe.

I have flown the DASH-8 multiple times. It was ok.

I preferred Iran just bought Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier and maybe Mitsubishi.
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The aircraft themselves are not really the issue.
Unfortunately the individuals sat at the front of them are, with
way too many badly trained and lacking in basic flying skills.
Most accidents are flight crew originated.

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Old January 8th, 2017, 02:15 PM   #3158
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Iran takes ownership of first passenger jet under sanctions deal

Airbus said on Sunday Iran’s state airline IranAir had accepted its first new jet, marking a key step in opening up trade under a nuclear sanctions deal between Iran and major powers.

The Airbus A321 jetliner has been painted in IranAir livery and is expected to be delivered later this week.

“The technical acceptance has been done with formal delivery still to be done,” an Airbus spokesman said.

A spokesman for Iran’s civil aviation authority said the aircraft had been placed on the country’s aircraft register, indicating IranAir had taken ownership of the aircraft, the first of around 200 Western aircraft ordered since sanctions were lifted.

On the 22nd of December 2016 , Airbus signed a firm contract for the sale of 100 aircraft to Iran Air.

The contract, covered 46 Airbus A320 planes, 38 A330 planes and 16 A350 XWB aircraft,

http://realiran.org/iran-takes-owner...anctions-deal/

Iran, Australia agree to launch direct flight

Iran and Australia have reached an agreement to launch a direct flight between the two countries in near future, IRNA quoted Iranian ambassador in Canberra on Saturday.

According to Abdolhossein Vahaji, the two countries signed an initial agreement in November 2016 and an executive meeting between Iranian airliner Mahan Air and the Australian side is scheduled for late-January to put the reached agreement into effect.

The launch of direct flights between Iran and Australia will lead to development in their bilateral relations, the diplomat noted.

According to the agreement, the two sides’ aircrafts can cross each other’s airspace, land and get services and the establishment of direct flights between the two countries’ cities, including flights between Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth and the Iranian cities of Tehran, Mashhad, Shiraz and Isfahan is also covered in the document.

http://realiran.org/iran-australia-a...direct-flight/
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That just means turboprops are not as safe.

I have flown the DASH-8 multiple times. It was ok.

I preferred Iran just bought Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier and maybe Mitsubishi.
All small aircraft that do more flights are at risk due to extra wear and tear.

Dash8-400Q current orders are at 400+

ATR current orders are at over 1000 maybe 1200 or more.

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