DME/SVO/VKO | Moscow Area Airports - Page 39

Wezza · February 13th, 2012, 10:07 AM

DME & VKO look great! Hopefully coming to Russia in April, so i'll get to check out DME! Just waiting on my visa support letter from Russian immigration so I can apply for my visa.

Iggis · February 13th, 2012, 04:45 PM

Wezza, you are welcome here

What airline will you use?

Iggis · February 13th, 2012, 06:26 PM

Vnukovo International has welcomed the joint Lufthansa-Vnukovo news conference to announce preparations for scheduled flight operations by the German flag carrier out of Vnukovo International

"The addition of Vnukovo to the Lufthansa network, served from Berlin, as well as its Frankfurt hub segment, the fastest growing part of its network in all of Europe, is a testament to the trust we place in the Russian [air travel] market.", said Ronald Schulz, Lufthansa Regional Director Russia & CIS. "The year 2011 has been one of great success for us, with passenger numbers out of Russia growing at 20 percent. The additional services to Frankfurt will expand our offer to air travelers originating in Moscow and will also ring in a new demographic which has so far remained out of our direct reach."

http://vnukovo.ru

Iggis · February 13th, 2012, 06:35 PM

VNUKOVO INTERNATIONAL

http://vnukovo.ru

Iggis · February 13th, 2012, 07:19 PM

British Airways introduces B-747-400 service to Moscow

British Airways will perform one of three daily flights on Boeing 747 with four classes of service. Besides higher capacity, flights on Boeing 747 mean introducing of two classes of service, that will be new to this line, in total offering World Traveller economy class, World Traveller Plus, First class and Club World business class.

Only on March, 4th and 6th, 2012 British Airways clients will receive a unique possibility to estimate advantage of new classes of service on a route Moscow-London with the lowest price, special promo sales will start on 15th of Feb.

Ticket price in economy class World Traveller, one way, will make only 99 euros whereas the return ticket will cost 198 euros, including all taxes. A ticket of business class Club World one way also can be taken at surprisingly low price, for 149 euros, and RT for only 298 euros. The airline special offer extends on the selected flights between Moscow and London on March 4th and 6th, 2012.

Flight BA 232 information
Moscow(Domodedovo) --> London(Heathrow)
BRITISH AIRWAYS
Aircraft B744
Begin date 25 Mar 2012
Finish date 27 Oct 2012
Week days 1234567
Departure time 17:15
Arrival time 20:45

Flight schedule starting 25th March 2012

BA 232 25.03.12 27.10.12 1234567 Moscow(Domodedovo)->London(Heathrow) B747-400 17:15 17:45
BA 234 25.03.12 27.10.12 1234567 Moscow(Domodedovo)->London(Heathrow) B767-300 19:25 19:55
BA 236 26.03.12 27.10.12 1234567 Moscow(Domodedovo)->London(Heathrow) B767-300 05:50 06:20

http://www.avia.ru/pr/?id=23058
http://domodedovo.ru/en

SarunasLT · February 13th, 2012, 08:19 PM

Interesting decision, I guess traffic between London and Moscow is enormous. Seat capacity is just huge.

Ruso141 · February 14th, 2012, 03:47 PM

the grow of Moscow airports is really intense
If we join the three airports of Moscow we have 55 to 60 million passangers per year, isn t it?

bubbalo · February 14th, 2012, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruso141

the grow of Moscow airports is really intense
If we join the three airports of Moscow we have 55 to 60 million passangers per year, isn t it?

from 51 043 000 in 2010 to 61 832 943 in 2011 (provided that Vnukovo will have apx. 8 150 000 in 2011)

Iggis · February 14th, 2012, 05:07 PM

Lufthansa S12 European Operation Changes as of 14FEB12

As per 14FEB12 GDS timetable and inventory display, latest summary to Lufthansa’s planned European operation for Summer 2012 season as follows:

Berlin – Moscow Vnukovo Service replaces Domodedovo from 25MAR12. Increases from 1 to 2 Daily from 03JUN12

Dusseldorf – Moscow Vnukovo 2 Daily service transfers from Domodedovo to Vnukovo from 03JUN12

Frankfurt – Moscow Domodedovo Reduces from 5 to 4 Daily
Frankfurt – Moscow Vnukovo NEW 2 Daily

Hamburg – Moscow Domodedovo/Vnukovo Increases from 4 weekly to 6 weekly from 25MAR12. Service moves from Domodedovo to Vnukovo from 03JUN12

http://airlineroute.net/2012/02/14/l...pe-s12update4/

C-Falke · February 14th, 2012, 05:54 PM

I bet LH will leave DME completly till 2013, LX, OS and SN will follow till 2014. When UTs cooperation with star allince is announced officialy, star alliance will leave DME very fast.

YU-AMC · February 14th, 2012, 06:08 PM

^probably until then they will suck up North American pax?

Iggis · February 14th, 2012, 06:31 PM

I think that Lufthansa will leave some flights in DME anyway ) Its their tradition to serve 2-3 airports in big cities, right?

Maxi_Moscow · February 14th, 2012, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iggis

I think that Lufthansa will leave some flights in DME anyway ) Its their tradition to serve 2-3 airports in big cities, right?

Right.

It makes sense as they will still be looking at transfer pax at DME. DME supplies people from all over Russia and Lufthansa takes them further with their impressive network.

Dase · February 14th, 2012, 10:16 PM

^ Transfer traffic has never been a big concern for LH in Russia as they were one of the first airlines to serve the biger russian provincial cities themselves. The reason they moved to DME was that SVO was a shithole at that time and DME could offer a whole different experience. If VKO goes right, the Aeroexpress schedule is upped to a train every 30 mins and and UTAir is moving closer to Start Alliance, you can fully expect them to switch completely.

KVentz · February 15th, 2012, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dase

the Aeroexpress schedule is upped to a train every 30 mins

There are some problems with main railway network capacity there. Aeroexpress and RZD both try to solve them as fast as they can because traffic in VKO already high in rush hour.

Maxi_Moscow · February 15th, 2012, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dase

^ Transfer traffic has never been a big concern for LH in Russia as they were one of the first airlines to serve the biger russian provincial cities themselves. The reason they moved to DME was that SVO was a shithole at that time and DME could offer a whole different experience. If VKO goes right, the Aeroexpress schedule is upped to a train every 30 mins and and UTAir is moving closer to Start Alliance, you can fully expect them to switch completely.

How can it not be a big concern if 50% off all of the Russian air traffic goes from Moscow? Also, there are quite a lot of people that travel to South America and they choose either LH, AF or KLM. It is not something that would require putting A380s on Moscow flights but it also not something that should be ignored. They know that UtAir will be feeding their flights.

Dase · February 15th, 2012, 02:52 AM

^ As you state correctly, most of Russia's air travel is still Moscow-based. Of course there's potential for feed, but this is only of relevance to an Airline if there's a check-through or codeshare agreement which LH does not have at DME - I was talking about the situation there. They have been serving SVO when DME was number one for domestic Russian traffic by a big margin and only switched a while after DME had been refurbished and was lightyears ahead of SVO regarding passenger comfort. At the same time, they have been taking care for the transfer passengers with their own flights to cities like Samara, Kazan, Perm or Nizhniy which they started in the 90s when no other decent network carrier was serving the respective regions.

As I have stated, if UTAir joins Star Alliance, VKO is a given and of course transfer traffic gets relevant, but not very likely for intercontinantal traffic as quite a few relevant markets in Russia have one-stop-connections via MOW with Aeroflot or Transaero now. Hard to compete with a two-stop connection in those cases.

Wezza · February 15th, 2012, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iggis

Wezza, you are welcome here

What airline will you use?

I will probably fly in on Singapore Airlines, BNE-SIN-DME. I can earn Virgin Australia FF points with them.

I am coming to see my girl who lives in Kazan.

Iggis · February 15th, 2012, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wezza

I will probably fly in on Singapore Airlines, BNE-SIN-DME. I can earn Virgin Australia FF points with them.

I am coming to see my girl who lives in Kazan.

Wow, Brisbane is so far from us!

but i guess you will stay in Moscow for 1-2 days, before leaving for Kazan, April is a good time for visit ) it will be first time you meet her?

Wezza · February 15th, 2012, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iggis

Wow, Brisbane is so far from us!

but i guess you will stay in Moscow for 1-2 days, before leaving for Kazan, April is a good time for visit ) it will be first time you meet her?

I'm actually in Townsville, I have to fly to Brisbane first!

I met her in Thailand in December. I will stay maybe a few days in Moscow.

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February 13th, 2012, 10:07 AM	#761
Wezza © Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Townsville Posts: 7,575 Likes (Received): 115	DME & VKO look great! Hopefully coming to Russia in April, so i'll get to check out DME! Just waiting on my visa support letter from Russian immigration so I can apply for my visa.

February 13th, 2012, 04:45 PM	#762
Iggis Frequent flyer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moscow - City of skyscrapers Posts: 2,459 Likes (Received): 92	Wezza, you are welcome here What airline will you use?

February 13th, 2012, 06:26 PM	#763
Iggis Frequent flyer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moscow - City of skyscrapers Posts: 2,459 Likes (Received): 92	Vnukovo International has welcomed the joint Lufthansa-Vnukovo news conference to announce preparations for scheduled flight operations by the German flag carrier out of Vnukovo International "The addition of Vnukovo to the Lufthansa network, served from Berlin, as well as its Frankfurt hub segment, the fastest growing part of its network in all of Europe, is a testament to the trust we place in the Russian [air travel] market.", said Ronald Schulz, Lufthansa Regional Director Russia & CIS. "The year 2011 has been one of great success for us, with passenger numbers out of Russia growing at 20 percent. The additional services to Frankfurt will expand our offer to air travelers originating in Moscow and will also ring in a new demographic which has so far remained out of our direct reach." http://vnukovo.ru

February 13th, 2012, 06:35 PM	#764
Iggis Frequent flyer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moscow - City of skyscrapers Posts: 2,459 Likes (Received): 92	VNUKOVO INTERNATIONAL http://vnukovo.ru

February 13th, 2012, 07:19 PM	#765
Iggis Frequent flyer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moscow - City of skyscrapers Posts: 2,459 Likes (Received): 92	*British Airways introduces B-747-400 service to Moscow* British Airways will perform one of three daily flights on Boeing 747 with four classes of service. Besides higher capacity, flights on Boeing 747 mean introducing of two classes of service, that will be new to this line, in total offering World Traveller economy class, World Traveller Plus, First class and Club World business class. Only on March, 4th and 6th, 2012 British Airways clients will receive a unique possibility to estimate advantage of new classes of service on a route Moscow-London with the lowest price, special promo sales will start on 15th of Feb. Ticket price in economy class World Traveller, one way, will make only 99 euros whereas the return ticket will cost 198 euros, including all taxes. A ticket of business class Club World one way also can be taken at surprisingly low price, for 149 euros, and RT for only 298 euros. The airline special offer extends on the selected flights between Moscow and London on March 4th and 6th, 2012. Flight BA 232 information Moscow(Domodedovo) --> London(Heathrow) BRITISH AIRWAYS Aircraft B744 Begin date 25 Mar 2012 Finish date 27 Oct 2012 Week days 1234567 Departure time 17:15 Arrival time 20:45 Flight schedule starting 25th March 2012 BA 232 25.03.12 27.10.12 1234567 Moscow(Domodedovo)->London(Heathrow) B747-400 17:15 17:45 BA 234 25.03.12 27.10.12 1234567 Moscow(Domodedovo)->London(Heathrow) B767-300 19:25 19:55 BA 236 26.03.12 27.10.12 1234567 Moscow(Domodedovo)->London(Heathrow) B767-300 05:50 06:20 http://www.avia.ru/pr/?id=23058 http://domodedovo.ru/en

February 13th, 2012, 08:19 PM	#766
SarunasLT Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vilnius Posts: 132 Likes (Received): 4	Interesting decision, I guess traffic between London and Moscow is enormous. Seat capacity is just huge.

February 14th, 2012, 03:47 PM	#767
Ruso141 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montevideo Posts: 518 Likes (Received): 15	the grow of Moscow airports is really intense If we join the three airports of Moscow we have 55 to 60 million passangers per year, isn t it?

February 14th, 2012, 05:07 PM	#769
Iggis Frequent flyer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moscow - City of skyscrapers Posts: 2,459 Likes (Received): 92	*Lufthansa S12 European Operation Changes as of 14FEB12* As per 14FEB12 GDS timetable and inventory display, latest summary to Lufthansa’s planned European operation for Summer 2012 season as follows: Berlin – Moscow Vnukovo Service replaces Domodedovo from 25MAR12. Increases from 1 to 2 Daily from 03JUN12 Dusseldorf – Moscow Vnukovo 2 Daily service transfers from Domodedovo to Vnukovo from 03JUN12 Frankfurt – Moscow Domodedovo Reduces from 5 to 4 Daily Frankfurt – Moscow Vnukovo NEW 2 Daily Hamburg – Moscow Domodedovo/Vnukovo Increases from 4 weekly to 6 weekly from 25MAR12. Service moves from Domodedovo to Vnukovo from 03JUN12 http://airlineroute.net/2012/02/14/l...pe-s12update4/

February 14th, 2012, 05:54 PM	#770
C-Falke Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hamburg Posts: 88 Likes (Received): 23	I bet LH will leave DME completly till 2013, LX, OS and SN will follow till 2014. When UTs cooperation with star allince is announced officialy, star alliance will leave DME very fast.

February 14th, 2012, 06:31 PM	#772
Iggis Frequent flyer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moscow - City of skyscrapers Posts: 2,459 Likes (Received): 92	I think that Lufthansa will leave some flights in DME anyway ) Its their tradition to serve 2-3 airports in big cities, right?

February 14th, 2012, 10:16 PM	#774
Dase Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moscow / Berlin Posts: 506 Likes (Received): 18	^ Transfer traffic has never been a big concern for LH in Russia as they were one of the first airlines to serve the biger russian provincial cities themselves. The reason they moved to DME was that SVO was a shithole at that time and DME could offer a whole different experience. If VKO goes right, the Aeroexpress schedule is upped to a train every 30 mins and and UTAir is moving closer to Start Alliance, you can fully expect them to switch completely.

February 15th, 2012, 02:52 AM	#777
Dase Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moscow / Berlin Posts: 506 Likes (Received): 18	^ As you state correctly, most of Russia's air travel is still Moscow-based. Of course there's potential for feed, but this is only of relevance to an Airline if there's a check-through or codeshare agreement which LH does not have at DME - I was talking about the situation there. They have been serving SVO when DME was number one for domestic Russian traffic by a big margin and only switched a while after DME had been refurbished and was lightyears ahead of SVO regarding passenger comfort. At the same time, they have been taking care for the transfer passengers with their own flights to cities like Samara, Kazan, Perm or Nizhniy which they started in the 90s when no other decent network carrier was serving the respective regions. As I have stated, if UTAir joins Star Alliance, VKO is a given and of course transfer traffic gets relevant, but not very likely for intercontinantal traffic as quite a few relevant markets in Russia have one-stop-connections via MOW with Aeroflot or Transaero now. Hard to compete with a two-stop connection in those cases.