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Old December 4th, 2015, 09:01 AM   #461
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Anyway, it seems to be that the extension project is now split into 2 phases. The first phase which stretch from Makkansan to Bangsue will be done first. As it need to share the infrastructure with red line missing link (Bangsue - Hualumpong - Ram). And since red line missing link is part of the urgent plan , it's unavoidable that phase1 will have to happen at the same time.

BTW Bangsue - Donmueang is different story , and you might be right. As it might take longer to before construction can start due to several reasons
I see. So, if there is total track sharing between Bang Sue and Phaya Thai, then the Light Red Line extension factually is the ARL extension to Bang Sue, even if they nominally speak of two different projects. Or is there any difference, other than in name, between both projects on that route (besides maybe separate train procurement)?
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I see. So, if there is total track sharing between Bang Sue and Phaya Thai, then the Light Red Line extension factually is the ARL extension to Bang Sue, even if they nominally speak of two different projects. Or is there any difference, other than in name, between both projects on that route (besides maybe separate train procurement)?
Sharing the same area but at the separated tunnels due to the issue with Chitladda Royal station ...
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Sharing the same area but at the separated tunnels due to the issue with Chitladda Royal station ...
What issue?
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RAILWAY SECTION that passes Chitladda Royal Palace must not be above the ground and the at grade is no longer an option due to the rising traffic jam so the trench digging to create the underground section of Airport Link extension as well as red line commuter extension to Hua Lamphong and Hua Mark
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RAILWAY SECTION that passes Chitladda Royal Palace must not be above the ground and the at grade is no longer an option due to the rising traffic jam so the trench digging to create the underground section of Airport Link extension as well as red line commuter extension to Hua Lamphong and Hua Mark
I'm still confused. Why do they need separate underground tunnels for Light Red Line and ARL if there is "infrastructure sharing" between both? Doesn't that mean that tracks will be shared?
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I see. So, if there is total track sharing between Bang Sue and Phaya Thai, then the Light Red Line extension factually is the ARL extension to Bang Sue, even if they nominally speak of two different projects. Or is there any difference, other than in name, between both projects on that route (besides maybe separate train procurement)?
They use different tracks. Remember that the Red line runs on meter gauge, while ARL runs on standard gauge 1,435mm.

However the construction of these two lines follows each other and their structure is somewhat linked.

Like this. Both two Red lines on the left and ARL on the right at Chitladda Royal Palace station.

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They use different tracks. Remember that the Red line runs on meter gauge, while ARL runs on standard gauge 1,435mm.

However the construction of these two lines follows each other and their structure is somewhat linked.
Now I got it. Not wanting to sound annoying, but that's a lot of route duplication with almost the same stops from Hua Mak to Bang Sue. But ok, the one track is for HSR purposes, too.
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Yes, it's kinda complicated and each line have their own purpose.

The Red line missing link is also actually two lines that is grouped as one line. There's the dark red line extension from Bang Sue to Hua Lamphong and the other is light red line extension from Bang Sue to Hua Mark and these two lines don't share their tracks together.
And then you have the ARL extension as an express line between airports.
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One more question: The pillars being being erected now along Vibhavadi Rangsit etc. are for both Red Lines, right? And the leftovers from the old Hopewell project stilll standing there will be reused for HSR / ASL extension?
(I think I already asked that somewhere, but I forgot the answer.)
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Now I got it. Not wanting to sound annoying, but that's a lot of route duplication with almost the same stops from Hua Mak to Bang Sue. But ok, the one track is for HSR purposes, too.
Bloody NO - no considered as duplicated service at all as the Eastern line is always using the third class carriages which is for almost all stop stations ... with exception of excursion trains to Suan Nongnut that use Sprinter DMU.

Red line commuter is just to serve those who live along the tracks from Bangkok to Hua Mark (km 20) with a future to serve those who live along the tracks of eastern line all the way to Chachoeng Sao (km 61) with the major upgrading the existing stations and stops in addition to electrification.

Airport link has much fewer stops for sure.
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One more question: The pillars being being erected now along Vibhavadi Rangsit etc. are for both Red Lines, right? And the leftovers from the old Hopewell project stilll standing there will be reused for HSR / ASL extension?
(I think I already asked that somewhere, but I forgot the answer.)
The pillars are for the dark red line, the light red line runs on a different route, but there are the same system

The remaining Hopewell pillars will either be reused or demolished for the HSR/ARL depending on if the pillars condition, or they might use some of them and demolish the others (just like the current dark red line).
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Airport link has much fewer stops for sure.
In the network map I'm seeing the ARL extension is going to stop everywhere where the Light Red Line stops between Hua Mak and Bang Sue, except in Sam Sen. Maybe it's outdated.
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In the network map I'm seeing the ARL extension is going to stop everywhere where the Light Red Line stops between Hua Mak and Bang Sue, except in Sam Sen. Maybe it's outdated.
NOPE, Need to read the details carefully which station will be stopped by red line commuter and which station will be stopped by Airport Link
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In the network map I'm seeing the ARL extension is going to stop everywhere where the Light Red Line stops between Hua Mak and Bang Sue, except in Sam Sen. Maybe it's outdated.
ARL extension only have 3 stations. Ratchawithi - Bang Sue - Don Mueang

The most recent updated map. Here you can see which red line stops at which stations


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http://bts.listedcompany.com/misc/presentation/20151009-bts-management-presentation-201510-03.pdf[/url]
Interesting document, thank you.
Just seeing BTS Group's mass transit business has a huge profit margin. This is quite astonishing. Here in Germany I don't think there has ever been a local public transport system that wasn't a chronic loss-maker. They only survive through subsidies. And even then they are f*cking expensive.
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NOPE, Need to read the details carefully which station will be stopped by red line commuter and which station will be stopped by Airport Link
Well, I believe you. But then both my map and the version above is misleading, even when watching them carefully. I take the little circles intersecting a line to be stops.
(Frankly the map above looks strange. The Light Red Line has no circle at Ramkhamhaeng while there is one in my map and the ARL got an extra circle named "Soonvuai" between Ramkhamhaeng and Makkasan. But ok, whatever ...)
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even though Hatyai - Padang besar double tracking has not been started yet, Padang Besar 2 station is almost ready to Hatyai - Padang besar shuttle to feed to EMU of KTMB - from Hatyai traffic inspect of SRT
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Old December 5th, 2015, 10:42 PM   #478
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Signing FOC for Thai - China railway on 3 Dec 2015 at Mandarin Oriental Hotel, BKK - However, the the bone of contention remains since there is a cost overrun from 369000 million Baht to 560,000 Million Baht due to the need to construct Ban Phachi station as well as the passing loop station ... and 2.5% a year for the loan interests is totally unacceptable in the eyes of MoF and BoT as they press the demands for 2% a year interests on loan - ONLY the corner stone laying for traffic control station (OCC) at chiang Rak Noy will be held on 19 Dec 2015 - For the case of domestic loan - 2.8% is possible compared with the estimation from China to 3.1% ... and Thailand want to cut the loan not to exceed 500000 Million Baht or Thai - China railway may be cancelled.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_22625249.htm
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_22629137.htm
http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detai...sid=1449199886
http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/news/detail/677097
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the cost overrun from 369,000 Million Baht to 560,000 million Baht on Thai - China railway has drawn heavy criticism - now Thai - Japan railway seems to be on much better position as it is going to use much of the existing railway - just need major rehab and strengthen before adding the double track and electrification - since Junta never want to lose Japanese Investment which has been in Thailand for about 50 years - and the Lower East - West corridor is to secure Japanese investment around Eastern seaboard to connect with Dawei deep sea board and the route to Cambodia
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1449064159
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Deputy Governor of SRT on Traffic Dept said Padang besar 2 station will be opened by SRT Governor on 21 December 2015 as a station without passing loop along with the shuttle service - 6 times a days (3 pairs) using Daewoo DMU to feed the ETS as KTMB no longer offer Peninsular express 20/21 (Known in SRT as Special train 953/954)

However, the schedule has not been finalized yet

Well, IE35/36 still running to Butterworth until further notice.

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Alternative plan if Chinese government refusing to cut the interest down to finance
Nong Khai - Nakhon Ratchasima - Kaeng Khoi - Map Taphut with the distance of 845.27 km and Kaeng Khoi - Bangsue Central (New Bangkok station) at 118.14 km - must use at least 30% of domestic products and setting up JV company to handle both construction and

Design on Section 1 [Kaeng Khoi - Bangsue Central (New Bangkok station) - 118.14 km] and Section 3 [Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima - 134.21 km] will be done in December 2015 so as to start the construction in May 2016

For kaeng Khoi - Maptaphut with the distance of 238.83 km and Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai with the distance of 354.09 km, the design is 50% done


http://manager.co.th/iBizChannel/Vie...=9580000138074


Clear point from Big Too - not making stupid mistake during negotiation to cut down the interest rates for Sino Thai railway project
http://www.dailynews.co.th/politics/367266
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9580000137606

China should be more generous in Thai-Sino rail deal
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/o...sino-rail-deal
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