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Old January 29th, 2016, 11:48 AM   #521
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Bidding submission for 50 Diesel Electric Locomotives with axle load of 16 tons to replace old locomotives begins today.



https://www.facebook.com/Trainlism/p...type=3&theater
With CRRC Qishuyan as the ONLY one who purchase bidding form at the time being, it is vulnerable to be cancelled by the government due to the collusion by TOR.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 04:01 PM   #522
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Finally, Chinese government agree to cut down the expenditure on Thai - China railway in the following manners:

1. Setting up SUV company as the substitute to the controversial land strip leasing along Thai - China railways
2. Double tracks from Bangsue Central to Khorat and Single track from Khorat to Nong Khai while cancelling the section from Kaeng Khoi to Map Taphut - just use the double tracking from Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chacheongsao to run regular cargo service from the existing Nong Khai to Laem Chabang while SRT must ensure that there will always available locomotives for Thai - china cargo with loading gantry (AKA T-Rex) to transfer cargoes from Chinese train to Thai train in either Natha or Nong Khai while reviving locomotive depots at Udonthani and Nong Khai will help to ensure the available locomitces.
3. trying to use local content of Thailand as much as possible

As Chinese government and private sectors are not allowed to use land strips as it covers almost all railway line from bangkok to Nong kHai, Thai government has to find the new sources of revenue for land development - industrial estates and industrial parks along with the new cities near railway stations connecting with the existing cities where Thai - China railway stations situate will do the jobs. However, the investment on mines in Isan region are too controversial to allow Chinese investors to deal with.

Thai government is now asking Chinese government to invest more on Thai - China railway to reach at least 60% as the way to relief the financial burden
http://www.manager.co.th/iBizChannel...=9590000011826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=YUQNfYp0Drw

Thai Columnist said Thai - China railway should follow Chengdu - Europe cargo train model though
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/571544
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Kickoff of Thai-Japanese Electrified Double Track Meter Gauge (574 km) with speed of 160 km/h.

First phase is the inauguration for the trial run of small container transport.









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Kickoff of Thai-Japanese Electrified Double Track Meter Gauge (574 km) with speed of 160 km/h.

First phase is the inauguration for the trial run of small container transport.
https://www.facebook.com/trafficsrt/...76055475845301
Here is the detail of the project in question.

Kickoff of Thai-Japanese Electrified Double Track Meter Gauge (574 km) at 2 PM of 5 February 2016 at Nong Pladuk Junction, Nong Kob commune, Ban Pong district of Rajburi, Thai Minister of transport and the vice permanent secretariat of Japan Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, transport and tourism to start the container service using 15 container boxes of 12-feet types used by JR Freight from Nong Pladuk junction to Phahonyothin Freight yard in Bangsue as the first step for Thai-Japanese Electrified Double Track Meter Gauge (574 km) [Kanchanaburi - Bangsue central, Bangsue central - Chachoenngsao - Aranyaprathet, Bangsue central - Chachoengsao - Laem Chabang]

this is the way to improve rail transport in Thailand with the technology transfer from Japan through their expertise - as Japan Freight has run 500 cargo trains a day at 70 kph with 90% on time - and cut down the logistic cost and reduction of energy bills with faster services.

this Nong Pladuk - Bangsue freight train is going to be a basic backbone for the future freight services to connect Dawei Deep Sea Port with Laem Chabang Deep Sea Port as well as freight to the neighbor countries.

Furthermore, Thai government want to apply the proven Shinkansen technology for the High Speed train from Bangsue Central to Chiang Mai - after using Japanese rolling stocks for Purple line MRT

According to MOC (Memorandum of Cooperation) with Japan on 26 Nov 2015, it consisted for the following plans.

1) rail system for Southern economic corridor -> Kanchanaburi - Bangkok, Bangkok - Chachoengsao - Aranyaprathet, Bangkok - Chachoengsao - Laem Chabang Deep Sea Port.

2) Human development to train SRT Railway men to deal with administration of the train along with signal, telecom and maintenance

3) the exchange of personals between Thailand and Japan to deal with rail services - with Japanese rail experts to help SRT railway men.

4) rail cargo services as - using container boxes of 12-feet types used by JR Freight as to support Japanese investments in Thailand - to encourage more SMEs to use rail cargo service since these small container boxes can be loaded into the existing 4 wheel trucks.

At the time being, SRT is going to run this cargo train services using container boxes of 12-feet types in the following routes:

1. Bangsue <-> Lamphun as SRT has designated Lamphun as the cargo distribution center for the Northern region - running from 8 to 12 Feb 2016

2. Bangsue <-> Kud Jik <-> Tha Phra as SRT has designated Kud Jik as the cargo distribution center for Nakhon Ratchasima while assiging Tha Pha as the cargo distribution center for Khon Kaen - both stations have container yards ready for such a service.

The result will be concluded in Mid 2016.

http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1454652432

Up to date news about Kickoff of Thai-Japanese Electrified Double Track Meter Gauge (574 km) on 5 February 2016 at Nong Pladuk Junction by Pichet Chamneam
https://www.facebook.com/pichet.cham...60269533987109
https://www.facebook.com/pichet.cham...60254667321929
https://www.facebook.com/pichet.cham...60193737328022

Exhibition of Thai-Japanese Electrified Double Track Meter Gauge (574 km) on 5 February 2016 at Nong Pladuk Junction by Pichet Chamneam
https://www.facebook.com/pichet.cham...60288300651899
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More pictures from the kickoff event

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Now, the cabinet has approved the extra budget for 26 km red line commuter (Bangsue central - Rangsit) by 18402 Million Baht - boosting the budget up from 75548 million baht to 93,950.58 Million Baht including the extra budget for the contract 3 (electro-mechanic) from 25,656.57 million baht to 32,399.99 million baht after the negotiation with MHSC (Mitsubishi Heavy Industry - Hitachi - Sumitomo) in the afternoon of 9 Feb 2016 - expect the 3rd contract to be signed in the next 2 weeks

the extra budget also cover the case of adding the 4th tracks at 8,104 Million Baht

Contract 1: Bangsue Central - Chatuchak station + maintenance center got 4,315 Million Baht from 29,826 Million Baht to STECON and UNIQ Engineer

Contract 2: Section from Samian Naree all the way to Rangsit got 3,352 Million Baht from 21,235 Million Baht to ITD

Contract 3: Electrification and signal - 473 million Baht from 32,399 Million Baht to MHSC (Mitsubishi Heavy Industry - Hitachi - Sumitomo)

this extra budget will be covered by JICA loan (5,897.22 Million Baht) and the rest from domestic source - this will include the electrification and EMU sets for Bangsue - Taling Chan section

Big Too also asking MoT to do the following thing in favor
1. the establishment of Rail Transport Dept to deal with mass transit nationwide as well as SRT

2. the commercialization along the railway land strip

3. Find the way to help local people of Lak Hok and Rangsit as the construction of red line commuter have effectively blocked the access of the villagers and slum dwellers around the mentioned areas.

http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1455010691
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Old February 10th, 2016, 10:18 AM   #527
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Construction begins for 2. Thanon Jira - Khon Kaen (185 km) double track Meter Gauge. Construction is expected to take 3 years and be completed in 2018.

Passenger max train speed: 160 km/h
Freight max train speed: 90 km/h


Five other urgent double track lines will also begin construction in the coming months.








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Construction begins for 2. Thanon Jira - Khon Kaen (185 km) double track Meter Gauge. Construction is expected to take 3 years and be completed in 2018.

Passenger max train speed: 160 km/h
Freight max train speed: 90 km/h


Five other urgent double track lines will also begin construction in the coming months.

https://www.facebook.com/pr.railway/

Ceremony of inaugurating the construction of double tracking from Thanon Jira Junction to Khon Kaen with 19 stations and stops and 3 container yards, the distance of 187 km and a price tag of 26000 Million Baht to be done in early 2019
http://nwnt.prd.go.th/centerweb/news...O5902100010007
http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/news/detail/686311
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/575453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=DDmr1EVKFxQ
http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewN...=9590000014752
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Seem like there isn't any converted plan amongst existing meter gauge users (ie. Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, Myanmar) to convert to standard gauge.

That being the case, meter gauge will still be around for a long time. This can be used for freight as well as local traffic or regional commuter traffic.

The meter gauge will therefore coexist with HSR if and when HSR comes about do not know when.
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Seem like there isn't any converted plan amongst existing meter gauge users (ie. Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, Myanmar) to convert to standard gauge.

That being the case, meter gauge will still be around for a long time. This can be used for freight as well as local traffic or regional commuter traffic.

The meter gauge will therefore coexist with HSR if and when HSR comes about do not know when.
such a conversion would mean astronomical price tags - due to the following reasons

1. the need for widening railway land strip to allow standard gauge rolling stock with the width of 3.2 meter to pass with a safety margin of 5 meter for the case of double tracking - this will be a great issue in the urban areas as the price of land in urban zones have already costly ... not to mention about the railway yard and platform modification to accommodate the wider trains - and the reinstalling of the new signal systems will be in need as well.

2. the need to increase the axle load from the existing 15-20 to 25 ton axle load to allow heavy loco to pass through - need new bridges of 25 ton axle load type nationwide including concrete bridges, galvanized steel bridge

3. curve widening to ensure that even the minimum curve on the hill section must be 1000 meter radius even though 5000 meter radius preferred - and the maximum steepness will have to be cut from 26 in 1000 to 10-12 in 1000 on the hill section --- many hill sections now become a part of national parks so the long and bitter negotiation is in need - not to mention about the case of land exappropriation --- there are cement factories in hill sections around Dong Phraya yen ... so negotiation to get the right prices will be another bitterness.
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Thai - Japan railway will have both high speed to Chiang Mai and cargo on the existing lines - and so, the case of Thai China railway, the old Thai - China High Speed train of 250 kph will be revived with cargo to be handled by existing meter gauge lines so as to use existing stations without need to need for extra stations to handle cargoes - this is a solution to cut down the cost
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1455097471
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It will insightful to put 'high speed' into perspective.

Malaysia has started the ESL for a few years now. Metre gauge. Max speed is 160km/hr.
So, in actual fact, the actual average speed for direct non-stop between Ipoh and KL is only about 100km/hr (200km/2hrs).
With intermediate stops, the overall actual average speed is about 85km/hr.

As you can see, it is not every high. Even though the train set can go at 160km/hr, during to various reasons, the proportion of the journey that is done at this max speed may actually be very low.

For a lot of the developing countries, say Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, before they have to resort to HSR, there are a lot can be done with much cheaper cost to improve the quality of service (i.e. actual average speed, punctuality, cleanliness, safety, overcrowding, service frequency and timing, environment at the stations, etc) with the existing metre gauge.

If the metre gauge can stabilised at max speed of 160km, and achieve an actual average service speed of 120km/hr, this will be a substantial improvement already.
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It will insightful to put 'high speed' into perspective.

Malaysia has started the ESL for a few years now. Metre gauge. Max speed is 160km/hr.
So, in actual fact, the actual average speed for direct non-stop between Ipoh and KL is only about 100km/hr (200km/2hrs).
With intermediate stops, the overall actual average speed is about 85km/hr.

As you can see, it is not every high. Even though the train set can go at 160km/hr, during to various reasons, the proportion of the journey that is done at this max speed may actually be very low.

For a lot of the developing countries, say Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, before they have to resort to HSR, there are a lot can be done with much cheaper cost to improve the quality of service (i.e. actual average speed, punctuality, cleanliness, safety, overcrowding, service frequency and timing, environment at the stations, etc) with the existing metre gauge.

If the metre gauge can stabilised at max speed of 160km, and achieve an actual average service speed of 120km/hr, this will be a substantial improvement already.
that's exactly what SRT is doing on massive double tracking nationwide even though the electrification will be done for red line commuter networks and Hatyai - Padang Besar with a possible application for the revived Hatyai - Songkla line
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Second double track line 1. Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachoengsao (106 km) double track Meter Gauge is now under construction. Construction is expected to take 4 years and be completed in 2019.

Passenger max train speed: 160 km/h
Freight max train speed: 90 km/h


First Phase
1. Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachoengsao (106 km) - U/C
2. Thanon Jira - Khon Kaen (185 km) - U/C
3. Prachuab Khirikhan - Chumporn (167 km) - Construction in July
4. Lopburi - Pak Nam Pho (148 km) - Construction in October
5. Map Krabao - Thanon Jira (132 km) - Construction in October
6. Nakhon Pathom - Hua Hin (165 km) - Construction in October

Second Phase (Fast Track)
7. Hua Hin - Prachuab Khirikhan (90 km) - Construction in July







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those in Klong San area reject Gold Line Monorail that connect to Icon Siam as it is to please private sectors at the expense of local people - what a lunatic idea they are - NIMBY at the purest form indeed
http://www.dailynews.co.th/bangkok/380531


the issue of massive double tracking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=p3XsFCi4xwk





starting the double tracking from Thanon jira - Khon Kaen on 10 Feb 2016 to be done in 2018
http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewN...=9590000014752
http://www.ryt9.com/s/iq03/2358649
http://www.innnews.co.th/shownews/show?newscode=677715
http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/news/detail/686311
http://www.thairath.co.th/clip/39481
http://sports.ch7.com/detail/160456/...%E0%B8%99.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=BPa1wDxXLas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=2gnCX3wldI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=f1EfXzrRHg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=_2LOxfquPRY



Starting Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachoengsao Double tracking on 17 Feb 2016
https://www.facebook.com/pr.railway/...59291950752340
http://pantip.com/topic/34809499
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Speeding up 5 double tracking projects with 90 km Hua Hin - Prachuab Khirikhan added after the suggestion by NESDB to prevent the rail traffick bottleneck

there will be 4 biddings for 4 massive double tracking with a price tag of 92 billion Baht around April - May 2016 with contract signing in September - October 2016
after EIA clearance with approval from NESDB to boost economic at the 4th quarter of 2016 while clearing the 500 level crossing and the 5th bidding for 90 km Hua Hin - Prachuab Khirikhan has been added
after the suggestion by NESDB to prevent the rail traffick bottleneck.



Now, SRTsaid that the hired consultant to draft the TOR for the 4 massive double tracking projects are done, based on 106 km Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachoengsao route and Thanon Jira - Khon Kaen routes.
The bidding will be started ONLY after EIA clearance and approval from NESDB to be done in April 2016 - allowing the contractors to start bidding in May 2016

There will be one contract for each project to ensure the standardized contruction for 4 double tracking project with the distance of 612 km and a price tag of 92,289 Million Baht to be constructed by the end of 2016 to be done in 2019

Here is the list of 4 double tracking project
1. Prachuab Khirikhan - Chumporn with the new station building for Chumporn - 167 km at 17290 Million Baht - Now get EIA clearance - waiting for NESDB approval by the end of Feb 2016 to get cabinet approval so as to sign the contract in July 2016
2. Map Krabao - Thanon Jira with the new station building for Nakhon Ratchasima and 4 tunnels across Dong Phraya yen and Lam Takhong reservior - 132 km at 29,853 Million Baht - Now get EIA clearance - pending for details to get approval from MoT and NESDB by the end of March 2016 so as to sign the contract in October 2016

3. Nakhon Pathom - Hua Hin - 165 km at 20,306 Million Baht - waiting for EIA clearance to be done by the end of Feb 2016 before getting cabinet approval in April 2016 before bidding in May - September 2016 to sign the contract in October 2016

4. Lopburi - Pak Nampho - 148 km at 24,840 Million Baht - waiting for EIA clearance to be done by the end of Feb 2016 before getting cabinet approval in April 2016 before bidding in May - September 2016 to sign the contract in October 2016

Hua Hin - Prachuab Khirikhan double tracking with the distance of 90 km at 9437 million Baht has gotten the first priority to get done at the same time as Prachuab Khirikhan - Chumporn to prevent the bottleneck as suggested by NESDB - still pending for EIA clearance - need another 6 months get done but will try the best to get the construction started
at the same time as Nakhon Pathom - Hua Hin double tracking and Prachuab Khirikhan - Chumporn double tracking as this section will get done in 2 years and a half (30 months) which is likely to get cabinet approval as it has cleared 500 level crossings to cut down the level crossing accidents - let Highway Dept and rural highway Dept to deal with
flyovers across railway tracks

these 905 km double tracking is to boost economic and improve efficiency and safety of railway - So far, the construction of 106 km Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachongsao and 185 km Thanon Jira -
Khon Kaen have been started - with a hope to get Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachongsao done in 2018 and Thanon Jira - Khon Kaen done in 2019

Ch. Karnchang PCL is going to form a consortium with Ch. Thawee PCL to rival against ITD, Naowarat Phatthanakarn, Unique Engieering and Construction, and STECON for sure as there is going to be those big contractor to deal with
the projects - and Ch. Thawee PCL has set up concrete sleeper factory in Ayutthaya on 20 rai of land

http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1455695990
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Middle speed train to connect with China would be fine
http://www.matichon.co.th/news/44402


New Bangkok's CBD is being planed by State Railway of Thailand inside Bang Sue Grand Station area - ASEAN's largest rail hub in 2019 consisting of business zone, international convention centres zone, international medical centres zone, high-rise residences zone and government offices zone.
https://www.facebook.com/ThailandSky...918975/?type=3
http://www.prop2morrow.com/p2m/home/news/274

the cost overrun of red line commuter has been gone up from 59888 million Baht in 2009 to 93,950 million Baht in 2016 due to the delays and endless demands for changes
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1455695687




Plan for double trackings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=p3XsFCi4xwk
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How truly confuse I am!!
Thai Japanese double track is able to gear up high speed with 160 km/hrs with electric power system and such a lower cost.
While high speed or mid high speed plan to 180 kh/hrs with more tremendous cost of construction than double track train.
It double invest? not kind of worth of money use.

Did I understand this thing correctly?
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All about Thai - China railways
http://www.home.co.th/hometips/detail/83610

the talks about Thai China railway along with double tracking from Map Karabao to Thanon jira in Khorat
http://manager.co.th/QOL/ViewNews.as...=9590000022041

Thai - China railway has become a controversy after Chinese government has asked Thai government to allow the investment along the land strip of Thai - China railway in exchange for more Chinese Investment - This controversy has ignited the anti foreigner sentiment of Thai people - as they think that Chinese government is going to turn Thailand into either the new colony or even the new Province of Mainland China as the following article has shown :
http://newsupdate.sayhibeauty.com/20...g-post_24.html

Chinese ambassador has a talk about Thai - China railway in Chiang Rai to insist fair and square deal on investment
http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewN...=9590000021651


latest negotiation on Thai - China railway
https://www.youtube.com/v/pphrP3lkdCk
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