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Old March 12th, 2009, 08:53 PM   #21
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To be correct: The today's ICE3s are no Velaros!
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Old March 12th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #22
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To be correct: The today's ICE3s are no Velaros!
you really wanna play a game of semantics? we're talking LOOKS here, which is pretty much the same
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Old March 12th, 2009, 09:28 PM   #23
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I do agree that some of those trains look hideous, especially that French one and that Russian train. The Shinkansen rules, even the 700 and the N700. But to call those English ones better looking....

Anyway, the best looking trains are still some of the European multiple units and locomotives designed in the 1950s up to the 1970s.

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Even boxes looked good.

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Old March 12th, 2009, 11:01 PM   #24
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The shinkansen 500 is nice, but the 700 is ugly.
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Old March 12th, 2009, 11:38 PM   #25
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what an ethnocentric way of thinking. or might I say alittle blind?
No, it's just a matter of taste. Something not seen on north American tracks.

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This train reminds me of the first undergrounds trains in London in mid 19th century when engineer were convinced that trains in tunnels wouldn't need windows.
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Old March 13th, 2009, 02:23 AM   #26
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Gallery cars(the ones in that photo) have a neat interior though. Conductors can do ticket checks on both levels if the top people hold their tickets out.

Personally I've had the idea of something like this where the bottom level features 2 doors, and limited seating for short distance riders, while long distance users go upstairs, which would be a restricted area for only those with long-distance tickets


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Old March 13th, 2009, 04:04 AM   #27
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first of all, stating that ONLY british trains look good is rather stupid and probably nationalistic, but okay, its aesthetics, whatever, grain of salt right?

second, IMHO (you see..) british trains are one of the ugliest, right after american and australian ones. they are bulky, a great deal are diesel to begin with, not at all aerodynamic and theres absolutely no emphasys on the color

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Those 'flirt' trains I would put in my "worst appearance ever" section...
This is NOT nationalistic, as I asked the question what do people think, its just an honest opinion...And the aesthetics of a train (on this thread) means everything...

NOT my favourite, but still a good looking English EMU & DMU...





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Old March 13th, 2009, 04:37 AM   #28
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Two ugly locomotives:

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Old March 13th, 2009, 08:02 AM   #29
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The only good looking trains are those that go...

CHOO CHOO chuga chuga CHOO CHOO chuga chuga


Honestly though I think it's just what you're used to. Like for instance, I think cars outside of North America all look funny, aside from Germany cause the Germans sell the same cars all around the world so I'm used to them. (Japanese, American and most other manufacturers have North America specific models).
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Old March 13th, 2009, 08:23 AM   #30
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As far as I'm concerned, I like simple lines and matching colouring (Scandianvian background, you see...) and I loathe the throwing together of a handful of distinct colours. Consequently, I'm powerfully inclined to dislike ANYTHING (not just trains) that has been designed by British persons.

Take a look at the (ill-fated, I have to admit...) new Danish intercity train:
http://i2-images.tv2.dk/s/98/1274798...bd97a9940.jpeg. No need to splash four different colours on one square metre to make it look good.

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Old March 13th, 2009, 10:53 AM   #31
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second, IMHO (you see..) british trains are one of the ugliest, right after american and australian ones. they are bulky, a great deal are diesel to begin with, not at all aerodynamic and theres absolutely no emphasys on the color
Meh, questionable paintjobs aside, they're quite similar to trains in Europe to me. The below came from Bombardier's factory which was previously owned by the ABB Group, a Swiss company.



Besides, that doesn't explain how half the suburban fleet were off-the-shelf products built in France and Germany.
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Old March 13th, 2009, 11:14 AM   #32
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The older generations of British trains were downright ugly, luckily I don't see them very often now and the new ones are much nicer looking.

Having said that, at the moment i'm sat on a 158 class which is one of the older generation, it's not a good looker.



I do sometimes think that other countries trains look a bit 'odd' but that's because i'm not used to them, I don't think that French, German, Spanish, Dutch, Japanese trains are any uglier.
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Old March 13th, 2009, 11:26 AM   #33
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Hmmm it's very subjective indeed.

I'd rather just share photos of weird English trains, far more fun (many of these are now scrap, I hasten to add):

Class 40 (this recessed cab design was quite common, class 37 & Deltics too)



Class 50 (always thought it looked angry)





Class 52



Class 56... Another one with a disapproving 'face'



Class 31



Class 24



Class 35 ('Hymek')



DMUs

Class 141



Class 201 ('Hastings' DEMU)



Class 122 'Bubble car'



Class 105 Cravens



EMUs

2EPB (Happy!)



4CEP



Class 485 (ex-waterloo & City Line, Isle of Wight)

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Old March 13th, 2009, 12:29 PM   #34
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I rode them. Taking in mind quality/price attitude British trains are the worst in the world IMHO! How about Gatwick express ride for 16 pounds for 30 min crappy ride? In South Korea I rode high speed train 180km with a speed of 300 km/h almost all ride in 50 min for 10 pounds. Without booking in advance. French trains and German are better too. Our old Commie trains are crap but I can ride 100km for a bit more than 2 pounds. And outlook? They mostly are old crap incomparable with french railways.
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The London airport expresses are very expensive but that pricing of £0.30/km is not at all typical, you can travel from London to Manchester (260km) for £12 (£0.045/km) at an average of 140km/h.

That is also not typical pricing of course, most journies are somewhere in between, I pay £1,670 for a season ticket and use it to travel 34,000km per year (£0.05/km)

The inter-city services are not as fast as HSR but they are some of the fastest non-HSR services in the world (London-Newcastle 450km in less than 3 hours, average of 155km/h) and services are often very frequent compared to other countries (London-Manchester 3 tph) which is possibly more important than speed in a country where distances are not great.

Most trains are not old at all, 90%+ of the dozens of trains that I see every day are less than 10 years old, probably at least 50% are less than 5 years old
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Hmmm it's very subjective indeed.

I'd rather just share photos of weird English trains, far more fun (many of these are now scrap, I hasten to add):
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It's a long time ago I have been to Britain, but I know in the 80s british diesel engines have been extremly loud in comparison to these from the continent. How is it today?
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The 170 class turbostar DMUs like this one that I travel on most often are very quiet, diesel technology has moved on a lot since the 1980s and I guess that having sealed units with air-con rather than opening windows also helps for noise.

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It's a long time ago I have been to Britain, but I know in the 80s british diesel engines have been extremly loud in comparison to these from the continent. How is it today?
Do you mean trains that where new in the 80s? or the 1950-1960s DMUs?

From this...



It has improved quite a lot...

Class 185...Not my favourite, but still pretty good...



Class 180...one of my pet hates are 'Express DMUs' but this is still good...

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A suspicion suddenly came upon me: is there some kind of rule in the UK compelling railway companies to paint the "faces" of their trains yellow? That would explain a lot.
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A suspicion suddenly came upon me: is there some kind of rule in the UK compelling railway companies to paint the "faces" of their trains yellow? That would explain a lot.
Yes there is: makes them more visible to trackside workers
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