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Old March 4th, 2010, 12:38 PM   #481
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I personally feel that British trains have to many safety and accessability requirements to meet, for example the yellow on the front and the doors which have to be of a contrasting colour to help people with poor vision. Another problem with British rolling stock is the fact that our network has a very strict loading gauge limiting the design of the train, which is why i feel our stock occasionally looks dated.



In my opinion stock on the continent is designed to a much higher level, both aesthetically and mechanically, especially the TGV which is one of my favorites of any european rolling stock.




However the spanish Euromed 101 surpasses even the TGV

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Old March 4th, 2010, 09:32 PM   #482
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I personally feel that British trains have to many safety and accessability requirements to meet, for example the yellow on the front and the doors which have to be of a contrasting colour to help people with poor vision. Another problem with British rolling stock is the fact that our network has a very strict loading gauge limiting the design of the train, which is why i feel our stock occasionally looks dated.
The yellow front never has bothered me. I always liked it as it to me shows where the front is which gets more blurred on multiple units with corridor ends. The different coloured doors used to bug me at first, but now I quite like it...it looks good when they pick good colours!

British rolling stock is limited by the loading gauge, but I think it helps the appearance of the trains. A lot of larger and wider trains abroad have very flat sides and looks much more bulkier, not all curved (and nice) like UK trains...

The Class 375, below, would look 10000% worse had it got flat sides and a white front etc

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Old March 4th, 2010, 10:22 PM   #483
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But with so strict loading gauge requirements, the body of the train, apart from the nose, can't really be designed that much. That makes the trains look very similar to each other. I don't know about you but I like diversity.
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Old March 6th, 2010, 12:21 AM   #484
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But with so strict loading gauge requirements, the body of the train, apart from the nose, can't really be designed that much. That makes the trains look very similar to each other. I don't know about you but I like diversity.
The only effect the loading gauge has on a train is its size. But the design and layout of doors etc is not effected. And even then a train can only either have flat sides, or curved sides. And I think that 90% of people like curved sides more anyway.

The 175s have very curved sides at the bottom and more rarely at the top aswell...I think they look better for it.

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Old March 6th, 2010, 10:40 AM   #485
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What the hell is the destination on that train's dot matrix?!

Looks like: Hoerdaugieidau/i
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What the hell is the destination on that train's dot matrix?!

Looks like: Hoerdaugieidau/i
some strange welsh place! lol
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Old March 6th, 2010, 02:02 PM   #487
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And I think that 90% of people like curved sides more anyway.
90% of the people want a seat and a train that runs on time.

And the trains in Europe have flat sides because it's possible in the different lauding gauge, as a result the interior looks more spacious, also because the windows can be bigger and that is something that people often appreciate.
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90% of the people want a seat and a train that runs on time.

And the trains in Europe have flat sides because it's possible in the different lauding gauge, as a result the interior looks more spacious, also because the windows can be bigger and that is something that people often appreciate.
If they were clean which they rarely are.
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Old March 7th, 2010, 05:01 AM   #489
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some strange welsh place! lol
"Aberdaugleddau" is Milford Haven in Welsh.
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90% of the people want a seat and a train that runs on time.
This thread is just about appearance tho, not functionality...
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In other words, 90% of the people don't care if their train has curved or flat sides.
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Old March 8th, 2010, 09:01 PM   #492
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I can see how you can appreciate the proportions of British trains, and I definitely like most of the fastest ones(the Pendolino, Intercity 125/225, Javelin, etc.), but I think most of the medium-range and commuter trains fall short of being impressive. My main problem is the flat front most of them have, it gives them a boring and slightly dated appearance.

I think it would be nice if they give some of them slightly more streamlined and aerodynamic appearances like the following:



The UK itself already has a few examples:



I think trains like these would allow the train companies to market themselves as being fast and modern(even if they aren't truly high speed), and hopefully gain more ridership. Overall though, Britain could do much worse when it comes to train design.
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In other words, 90% of the people don't care if their train has curved or flat sides.
But again that isn't the point. Its the fact that UK trains do have curved sides and I like it. And im pretty sure that those people that do notice it would prefer curved sides aswell, I know this because I've seen people complain about the desiros having flattened sides, tho they are still slightly curved.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 12:59 AM   #494
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curved sides are crap. the fashion at the moment is the straight mixed with the curves.

look at the new manchester trams.
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Old March 11th, 2010, 03:10 AM   #495
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In Netherlands there are double-deckers with curved sides


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Old March 12th, 2010, 03:06 AM   #496
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Are they attractive? No.
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Old March 12th, 2010, 02:01 PM   #497
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Just looks great even after all these years. Sleek, modern, near perfect proportions for its purpose.... a design classic.
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Just looks great even after all these years. Sleek, modern, near perfect proportions for its purpose.... a design classic.
Actually, they are ugly. Appearance is certainly no strength of the TGV.
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There is only one TGV derivative that really looks great and it's the new KTX-2
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