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Old March 15th, 2009, 04:23 AM   #81
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The newer stock is nice in my opinion. I like the Class 425 as well as Class 481 and the Double Decker stock too.

I have had the pleasure of using German trains in the past and compared to much of the stock in Britain, I seriously think you're being too hard on your country. When you consider I've had the misfortune of being stuck on Class 150 Sprinters and Class 321 EMU's, is it any surprise that I found the German and Swiss stock infinitely superior?
Class 150s and Class 321s are like England's Worst trains (they not even bad, just plain and dull looking)...but if you compare them to other countries worst trains, they will look much better...e.g. shape, layout, proportions, window size etc...

The 481 and that double decker train look weird btw.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 04:56 AM   #82
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Class 150s and Class 321s are like England's Worst trains (they not even bad, just plain and dull looking)...but if you compare them to other countries worst trains, they will look much better...e.g. shape, layout, proportions, window size etc...

The 481 and that double decker train look weird btw.
Oh I agree that the Class 321's especially are a godsend compared to some trains I've been on, you should see the trash they have running on the rails in NZ - the rolling stock here was rescued from museums in some cases!

However, that doesn't mean they're my favourite stock compared to other countries that I've been to.

As for aesthetics, I do quite like those examples of newer continental stock, but each to their own.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 09:50 AM   #83
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This is a cool train.


(It amazes me how Japanese trains are always so clean)
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Old March 15th, 2009, 11:31 AM   #84
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Class 150s and Class 321s are like England's Worst trains (they not even bad, just plain and dull looking)...but if you compare them to other countries worst trains, they will look much better...e.g. shape, layout, proportions, window size etc...

The 481 and that double decker train look weird btw.
The 481's on the Berlin S-Bahn are perhaps my favorite suburban trains, i wish crossrail would have selected them as rolling stock
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Old March 15th, 2009, 12:56 PM   #85
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(It amazes me how Japanese trains are always so clean)
woah, that's fugly as hell!
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Why so angry? Apart from the ICE and some TEE trains, I don't see any German trains at all in this thread.

And the type you quote isn't very representative either. Most of those trains have been replaced by modern double-deck trains, which look much nicer (from the inside at least) and do match platform height.
No, they haven't. That is exactly what annoys me. You talk about things you don't know. The trains I linked are still in service and there is no sign that they will ever be replaced.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 03:18 PM   #87
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Looks alright to me, at least for its age. and interior looks better than renovated trains on thameslink...
It's not the age, it's that bloody colour scheme that makes this train so notably ugly. Mint and pink were awful colours back then when the train was built and they are still a legitimate reason to vomit.
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This is a cool train.


(It amazes me how Japanese trains are always so clean)
OMG!

That aint cool, looks like a submarine
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SIGH. Sorry Mate, but I find British trains bland and boring, perhaps your just used to the old fashioned looking trains. The French have nice train designs like the duplex or the newer TGV oh and that new Alstom. Japanese overall have the best train designs futuristic and modern.

Would you think these are ugly?
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SIGH. Sorry Mate, but I find British trains bland and boring, perhaps your just used to the old fashioned looking trains. The French have nice train designs like the duplex or the newer TGV oh and that new Alstom. Japanese overall have the best train designs futuristic and modern.


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JR500...that looks fine...the others are ugly tho
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The 481's on the Berlin S-Bahn are perhaps my favorite suburban trains, i wish crossrail would have selected them as rolling stock
No good choice, Berlin's S-Bahn is too slow.
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No, they haven't. That is exactly what annoys me. You talk about things you don't know. The trains I linked are still in service and there is no sign that they will ever be replaced.
I lived in Ruhrgebiet for years so I absolutely do know what I am talking about.

In the Ruhrgebiet, only the rush hour RE1 train still runs with Silberlinge, once a day. On all other lines they have been replaced already. The last lines where they ran were the RE3, RE11 and RB42 but during the last few years they have been phased out on those lines too.

And the Ruhrgebiet isn't even an affluent region!

The ex-DDR at least gets loads of money from the Solidaritätspakt, but apparently they'd rather waste it on building useless motorways than to improve public transport. But that's no reason to say that railways rolling stock sucks everywhere in Germany - the ex-DDR is only a small part of it.

(I assumed you are from eastern Germany, as the photos you are talking about are from the ex-DR "Halberstadter" rolling stock)
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But that's no reason to say that railways rolling stock sucks everywhere in Germany - the ex-DDR is only a small part of it.
The Ruhrgebiet is even smaller. You can't draw a conclusion from a few trainsets in NRW. The rolling stock outside metropolitan areas is far worse. And even there it isn't particular good-looking. Most trains in Germany are simply loathsome.

I would like to take British trains right away.

PS - There are no useless motorways in Germany.
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The Ruhrgebiet is even smaller. You can't draw a conclusion from a few trainsets in NRW. The rolling stock outside metropolitan areas is far worse. And even there it isn't particular good-looking. Most trains in Germany are simply loathsome.

I would like to take British trains right away.
I don't see such trainsets, you showed above, in NRW and NRW has more inhabitants than whole eastern Germany, Berlin incl.


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PS - There are no useless motorways in Germany.
For sure there are.
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Examples in Cologne (NRW)

S-Bahn Köln:


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Suburban train of Transregio:





RE of DB:


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The Ruhrgebiet is even smaller. You can't draw a conclusion from a few trainsets in NRW. The rolling stock outside metropolitan areas is far worse. And even there it isn't particular good-looking. Most trains in Germany are simply loathsome.
A few trainsets in NRW? Should I make a listing?

RE1 Aachen - Hamm: double-deck
RE2 Münster - M'gladbach: double-deck
RE3 Düsseldorf - Hamm: double-deck / br 425, soon Stadler Flirt
RE4 Dortmund - Aachen: double deck
RE5 Emmerich - Koblenz: double deck
RE6 Düsseldorf - Minden: double deck
RE7 Rheine - Krefeld: double deck
RE9 Siegen - Aachen: double deck
RE13 Venlo - Hamm: Silberlinge, soon Stadler Flirt
RE15 Münster - Emden: double deck
RE Norddeich Mole - Hannover: double deck
RE16 Essen - Siegen: Stadler Flirt
RB31 Duisburg - Xanten: Talent
RB36 Oberhausen - Duisburg-Ruhrort: Talent
RB40 Essen - Hagen: Stadler Flirt
RB42 Essen - Münster: 425
RB43 Dorsten - Dortmund: Talent
RB44 Dorsten - Oberhausen: Talent
RB45 Coesfeld - Dorsten: LINT
RB46 Bochum - Gelsenkirchen: LINT
RB47 Wuppertal - Solingen: 648
RB48 Wuppertal-Vohwinkel - Bonn-Mehlem: Silberlinge
RB50 Dortmund - Münster: Talent
RB51 Dortmund - Enschede: Talent
RB52 Dortmund - Lüdenscheid: LINT
RB64 Münster - Enschede: LINT
RB67 Münster - Bielefeld: 425
RB73 Bielefeld - Lemgo Lüttfeld: Talent
RB77 Bünde - Hildesheim: Talent
RB84 Paderborn - Holzminden: Talent
RB85 Ottbergen - Göttingen: LINT
RB91 Hagen - Iserlohn / Siegen: Stadler Flirt
...

Must I go on? As you can see, old rolling stock has really become rare. On every line which I have seen, the Silberlinge have been replaced with more modern rolling stock, or will be by the end of 2009. The only exception is the RB48.

And this is a logical process. More and more lines are privatized, and it is virtually impossible to win a tender (Ausschreibung) with 40 year old trains. So fact is: the days of Silberlinge & co. are counted. And that's good.

Edit: Now I see that the rolling stock RB48 has been renewed as well. So no exceptions left anymore.

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I don't see such trainsets, you showed above, in NRW and NRW has more inhabitants than whole eastern Germany, Berlin incl.
Still, NRW doesn't constitute all of Germany and the trainsets I showed are an undeniable reality. When the DB uses newer trainsets in NRW then may it be so. But even these trains are no beauties.

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For sure there are.
Just because you don't use them doesn't mean they're useless.
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SIGH. Sorry Mate, but I find British trains bland and boring, perhaps your just used to the old fashioned looking trains. The French have nice train designs like the duplex or the newer TGV oh and that new Alstom. Japanese overall have the best train designs futuristic and modern.

Would you think these are ugly?
Hong Kong Metro

Tsubame JR800

JR500

Taiwan HSR

France AGV
With the exception of the HK MTR they're all high speed trains... Compare commuter trains from Japan to those from the UK... IMO British commuter trains are far more attractive.
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With the exception of the HK MTR they're all high speed trains... Compare commuter trains from Japan to those from the UK... IMO British commuter trains are far more attractive.
I think not, Japanese commuter rail still looks more attractive and modern than the UK ones.

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Some of you lot have lost the plot. How can anyone compare a TGV, A bullet train or an AGV with a Class 158 Spinter or an Old Diesel? The UK does have high speed trains, DMUs and EMUs. There are so many different types I'd bore you.

If you want to compare a TGV to anything British compare it to the Class 373, Class 395, 390, etc.

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.... then again nearly all British Trains are built by either Japan or Germany anyway.

If you want to compare Class 158s you'll have to post some images of others countries local diesel trains. No one has really posted anything yet?

Those Japanese trains just posted are likely to be better compared to a Class 377...

or a Class 376...


Soon the Hitachi Super Express will be built which isn't a bad looking train...
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