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Old March 16th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #101
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OK, some dutch regional DMU's to compare them with some British ones.

DM'90

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Stadler GTW

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Or the old streamlined DE II

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Completely different then Class 158.

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But the DM'90 can be compared with class 168

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or class 165/166

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Old March 16th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #102
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I know what is very nice in British Railway: mostly no overhead wire! And a bit of old style switch-houses, bridges, etc.
Making a beautiful railway in the landscape.

I remember at the end of the 1980s, I took a commuter train where you could only access by sides like a bunch of old horse drawned cars sticked together. No corridor at all. Quite an amazing feeling to feel the atmosphere of almost 100 years ago
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Old March 16th, 2009, 10:29 PM   #103
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Some of you non-UK people put up a good fight... it may even looked like you had us at one point, but all that is now over

Time to unveil our secret weapon...














Yeah... we've nailed you now
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:32 PM   #104
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I know what is very nice in British Railway: mostly no overhead wire! And a bit of old style switch-houses, bridges, etc.
Making a beautiful railway in the landscape.

I remember at the end of the 1980s, I took a commuter train where you could only access by sides like a bunch of old horse drawned cars sticked together. No corridor at all. Quite an amazing feeling to feel the atmosphere of almost 100 years ago
Thats a nice description of failure.
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Old March 17th, 2009, 12:30 AM   #105
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Some of you non-UK people put up a good fight... it may even looked like you had us at one point, but all that is now over

Time to unveil our secret weapon...














Yeah... we've nailed you now



if I had the choice between heading out on a Colne bound sprinter or a TGV the TGV stands no chance.
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Old March 17th, 2009, 12:36 AM   #106
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OK, some dutch regional DMU's to compare them with some British ones.

DM'90

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Stadler GTW

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Or the old streamlined DE II

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DM'90, that actualy looks quite nice...but it also looks very English styled...

The Stadler GTW and old streamlined DE II looks very odd. The Stadler GTW again looks like a TRAM!!
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I already thought you would say that about the DM'90.

But why can't a train look like a tram?
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English trains do look better...

A fair comparison...

English...

Class 377



Class 168



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And the rest of the world (In my opinion ugly trains)

Canadian GO Transit



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I already thought you would say that about the DM'90.

But why can't a train look like a tram?
It was the Stadler GTW that I was talking about.

Because I don't think its a good look, and it isn't a tram...
Trams quite often look like some overly creative art student has designed them
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It was the Stadler GTW that I was talking about.

Because I don't think its a good look, and it isn't a tram...
Trams quite often look like some overly creative art student has designed them
as opposed to what? mediocrity? that probably describes british trains the best
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as opposed to what? mediocrity? that probably describes british trains the best
Trains in Britain I think look far better designed. They have MUCH better proportions, no strange features, no 'floating door' effect like on some of the double deck trains where the doors appears to be in the middle of the side of the train, no odd humps and pumps, they are VERY pleasing to the eye, look like trains and in general look better because of this...they are not 'over designed'

Some may say they are boring, but trains look there best when they look like trains and not a child's toy. British trains have aways had a very good pleasing look about them, they follow a good general design that has been very successful.
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In Europe we are just more used to trains that don't look like trains, for example the German Railbus:

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I think not, Japanese commuter rail still looks more attractive and modern than the UK ones.

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They all look boxy and samey to me. The bottom of the train is too narrow compared to the top, if you compared them to a human, they'd be ones with giant foreheads.

Also, I find it amusing how UK trains are criticised as being "boring" yet all those Japanese commuter trains follow a very similar design pattern.



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OK, some dutch regional DMU's to compare them with some British ones.

DM'90

Stadler GTW

Or the old streamlined DE II

Completely different then Class 158.
The DM'90 is all right, middle one looks like a boxy tram, last one has an ugly weird shaped front.
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They all look boxy and samey to me. The bottom of the train is too narrow compared to the top, if you compared them to a human, they'd be ones with giant foreheads.

Also, I find it amusing how UK trains are criticised as being "boring" yet all those Japanese commuter trains follow a very similar design pattern.





The DM'90 is all right, middle one looks like a boxy tram, last one has an ugly weird shaped front.
Yep... So the UK has to hurry up and built some High speed trains to take the attention off their ugly commuter trains.

UK Trains remind me of the London 2012 logo. Blech
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OMG!

That aint cool, looks like a submarine
Just because it looks different, doesn't mean it looks ugly. We artificially bind trains to unwritten conventions that they have to look boxy and ugly.

I applaud the Japanese for having designers and architects design the aesthetics.

If half as much effort was put into trains as is put into buildings (like the Gherkin, Big Ben, Canary Wharf Station) we'd end up with some pretty fantastic looking trains.

Is there any reason that a train can't be designed by someone who knows something about aesthetics?

I guarantee that once you're used to them, the "weirdest" designs become quite lovely.



The inside is pretty cool too:
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The inside is pretty cool too:
I think the inside looks cold, clinical and bare...

I understand about what you been with creativity...but with trains i think they only look good with my classic designs, than new 'interesting' designs...
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The DM'90 is all right, middle one looks like a boxy tram, last one has an ugly weird shaped front.
That's old school streamline for you, the train was build in the 1950s and it was even a 1930's design.

Here Mat'40 and Mat'36 EMUs next to each other, it looks even better

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I think the inside looks cold, clinical and bare...

I understand about what you been with creativity...but with trains i think they only look good with my classic designs, than new 'interesting' designs...
I like it personally. Like a cocoon shape. Very neat use of circles, even in the general shape and lighting.

On the other end of the spectrum:
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A fair comparison...

don't know

That is the Bayerische Oberlandbahn, a commuter train. It serves three lines going from Munich to the Alps. It is a company of Connex (or Veolia?). Three sets leave Munich coupled together and then they split along the way to their seperate end stations. It is well used line for commuters and leisure (walking, skiing).

The design is from the 90s and the trainsets from Italy. It serves the purpose and is simple and functional. In my opinion that makes good design. There is a reason why commuter trains look different from HST.

Ah, and they also have English announcements in the train. Funny thing is that the announcer has a bavarian accent .
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