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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:29 PM   #161
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Japan was running their first tilting trains in 1972 (though it have passive tilting). And after having been on some of them in Japan I have to say that they are really nice to ride.

Also comparing APT with X2(000) is a bit wrong since X2 went into service in the 90's quite some time after they were testing APT.

I believe that the frst passive tilting trains in commercial services were the Talgos . Tilting or non tilting Talgos have extremaly interesting features . The passenger cars are short (about 13 metres long) and rest on a single axis in common with two "carriagettes" The locos are at the ends of the rakes and the traction can be diesel or electric. Most of then can change gauges in a feew minutes. Because of their design they are extremely light.

X2000 the Swesish X2(000) went into service in the early '90's. Whilst the APT was still in the experimental phase. IT has self-steering bogies/wheels.

Passive tilting was used in some Japanese train. Active tilting (I believe of 1 cant deficiency is used on the N700. This allow the N700 to negotiate at 270km/h curves of 2,5 km radius which before, wiithout tilting were negotiated at 210km/h.


Here some links and article on wikipedia in English and Italian


APT
EN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Passenger_Train

APT in Italian on Wikipedia

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Passenger_Train

Pendolino ETR450 –Wikipedia in Italian
One can see that the Experimental prototype ETR Y1060 was tested in 1969

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendolino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendolino

ETR 401 the first 4 car Italian tilting trainset to enter in commercial service in Italy

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETR_401

First Spanish ETR401 (EL PLATANITO)
http://www.jorges.arrakis.es/materia...erieut443.html

X2000 Sweden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_2000


Talgo – talgo Pendular
The Talgos pendular have a passive tilting mechanism. Even those versions which do not have a passive tilting mechanism are conceptually very interesting, since the intermediate carriages rest on a common single axis bogie, and the coaches are about 13 metres long. This makes the train extremely light. Also the power cars are at the end at the train. A Talgo can have power diesel and electric power cars.
Most type are also capable of changing gauge in a few minutes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talgo





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talgo
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Old March 25th, 2009, 11:41 PM   #162
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You still fail to mention when the APT derailled.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 05:28 AM   #163
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You still fail to mention when the APT derailled.
so did a lot of trains...
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Old March 26th, 2009, 05:30 AM   #164
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yea, and the sun revolves around..
ok, thats why they are built to the British loading gauge etc. they are all British design.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 06:16 AM   #165
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Bullet trains (TGV, Shinkansen, ICE) are the most beautiful in my opinion.

They are so bad ass- straining at the leash, wanting to go ever faster.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 04:26 PM   #166
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The TGV is an aging beast, but it was probably among the "prettiest" when it was new. Although newer, more aerodynamic versions like the Duplex are quite different and more pleasing to the eye.
I retract my statement regarding the "old" TGVs. I was standing on a platform last night quite close to the edge with my back to the "direction" of the trains. When i turned around a TGV came racing towards me, probably less than 50m away.. It was probably not doing more than 200 km/h but it scared the shit out of me, in a good way. Those red lights and the heavy, robot-like front are quite amazing.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 05:41 PM   #167
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Dont they have a 1 metre yellow warning line and platform announcements to say that a fast train is approaching?
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Old March 26th, 2009, 11:31 PM   #168
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I love many european trains, however about british trains I only like this one

the LMS Coronation
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Old March 28th, 2009, 04:57 PM   #169
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But they a built to British designs and specifications...
That's what I just said......
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Old March 28th, 2009, 05:02 PM   #170
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You still fail to mention when the APT derailled.
It never derailed. Fact.
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Old April 2nd, 2009, 07:55 AM   #171
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Just because it looks different, doesn't mean it looks ugly. We artificially bind trains to unwritten conventions that they have to look boxy and ugly.

I applaud the Japanese for having designers and architects design the aesthetics.

If half as much effort was put into trains as is put into buildings (like the Gherkin, Big Ben, Canary Wharf Station) we'd end up with some pretty fantastic looking trains.

Is there any reason that a train can't be designed by someone who knows something about aesthetics?

I guarantee that once you're used to them, the "weirdest" designs become quite lovely.



The inside is pretty cool too:
The designer seems to be a big fan of this shit
interesting design nonetheless. (It's Japan, anyway...)
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 05:13 PM   #172
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I think it's a non-sense to define what is beautiful and what is ugly.
For example, for me, this is beautiful:

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What a silly post.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 05:51 PM   #174
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You still fail to mention when the APT derailled.
Indeed. But this of very common knowledge.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 05:53 PM   #175
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What a silly post.
Why? Do you think it's clever only to assert that British trains are more beautiful than the others?
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 06:45 PM   #176
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I think it's a non-sense to define what is beautiful and what is ugly.
For example, for me, this is beautiful:

[IMG]http://www.**************/oldies/BStuder/730321-FS-03%20copia.jpg[/IMG]
This one looks brutal, you don't want to mess with this train.

More of these old Italian locos look fantastic.





To bad they are not able to build some decent trains nowadays.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 08:52 PM   #177
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It's kinda sad they don't build massive hulking locomotives anymore, I like them . modern trains suck, they're just buses on rails.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 10:59 PM   #178
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It's kinda sad they don't build massive hulking locomotives anymore, I like them . modern trains suck, they're just buses on rails.
Built in 1988:



Also,Bombardier Traxxes are pretty bulky too.
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Old April 4th, 2009, 03:01 AM   #179
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Indeed. But this of very common knowledge.
Its common knowledge to everyone bar you that it never derailed.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:01 AM   #180
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It's kinda sad they don't build massive hulking locomotives anymore, I like them . modern trains suck, they're just buses on rails.
They do in Canada. Our trains are massive relative to most trains elsewhere. Culturally, Canadians have been keen on heavy duty over sized machinery since the beginning. Big cars, big trucks, big motor homes, big boats, SUV's, heavy duty snowplow trucks, big rigs, big farm equipment, big trains, etc. Geography and climate have influenced our penchant for size. We feel safer, used to lots of space, and feel more comfortable in large machines.

GO Trains: the Golden Horseshoe, Ontario




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