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Old November 8th, 2009, 04:29 PM   #21
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It's the third accident in that tunnel. The first one happened in March 2007, the second one was in April 2009 and also a Portuguese worker died in each. RIP.
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Old November 10th, 2009, 08:35 PM   #22
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I posted those photos a long time ago, in my Andorra la Vella thread in cityscapes, about those u/c tunnels and the bridge near Andorra la Vella. Do you know if will be a motorway?
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Old November 10th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #23
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Interesting, do you have a map?

I haven't noticed such a construction when I was in Andorra in august 2008.
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Old November 11th, 2009, 02:51 AM   #24
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I'd love to visit Andorra, I wonder how it differs between Spain and France.
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Old November 11th, 2009, 11:56 AM   #25
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When I was there, I thought it was more Spanish than French... The signage is the same, and Andorra is geographically more connected with Spain (valley) than France (high mountain pass).
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Old November 11th, 2009, 12:08 PM   #26
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yeah, and language - they speak catalan with spanish accent, not with french. it is definitely more under spanish influence
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Old November 12th, 2009, 07:52 PM   #27
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Interesting, do you have a map?

I haven't noticed such a construction when I was in Andorra in august 2008.
Actually nope... i will search it (google maps) and then to post it here...
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Old November 14th, 2009, 06:31 PM   #28
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Chris, i cannot find any news/data about this u/c road or motorway. Anyone knows about that project?
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Old November 14th, 2009, 06:37 PM   #29
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I think it's supposed to be a bypass of Andorra-la-Vella from France towards the ski areas around La Massana, most likely in the form of a tunnel in the proximity of Andorra-la-Vella.
As you probably know, the capital is located in a narrow valley that is completely urbanized. From what I see on Google Earth it looks like CG-3/4 from Andorra to la Massana is being duplicated, but the imagery is not clear and 6 years old.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 08:25 PM   #30
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Interesting, do you have a map?

I haven't noticed such a construction when I was in Andorra in august 2008.
According to flickr it's the "Túnel dels Dos Valires":

-> http://www.feec.org/Noticies/noticia.php?noti=2521
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http://www.trebisate.com/index.php?o...id=249&lang=en

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Die folgenden Zeilen sind lediglich wichtig für das Ziel Vall Nord (bzw Valira Nord, also La Massana, Ordino), solange sich der neue 2 Röhren-Tunnel (Tunel dels dos Valires) zwischen Encamp-Süd und La Massana noch im Bau befindet. Dessen Fertigstellung ist projektiert für 2009. Der Schwerverkehr läuft derzeit noch durch Engordany.
-> http://www.lutz-meyer.com/reise/andorra-ankunft.htm
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Old November 17th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #31
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Thanks for the info; according to the site the consrtruction will be complete at 2010
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Old July 29th, 2010, 12:29 AM   #32
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The case for a better road access to Andorra

I've been in Andorra in late 2007 (before first snowfall). Awesome place, loved it, save for the expensive parking.

However, I was deeply disappointed by the lack of good road access (or airport or rail access, for that matter) to Andorra. I was driving from Italy, so no big deal, but I guess Andorra is shortchanged among the other European microstates (Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Vatican, Monaco and San Marino), when it comes to access to the European road network.

What do you think of the possibilities of widening the remaining 2X1 sectors of the N20 down from Foix and joining them with a possible new section of the C-16 in Spain north from Berga? Of couse another eastward 2X2 (even if non-motorway) connection with Perpignan would be awesome, but I can live without that.

The fact is: as it stands today, Andorra is quite isolated from the rest of Europe, and the potential of the Principalitat (new developments, more banking and tourism etc.) must be unleashed by better connections!
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Old July 29th, 2010, 12:24 PM   #33
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Once, I proposed a motorway connection with Spain. An extension of Spanish A-27 via the new C-14 (cutting a bit), and then N-260 and N-145 to the E/AND border. From there it would continue to Andorra la Vella, and it would be called simply A.
But forumer Vilarrubla thinks that would be better a 3rd lane for N-145. Traffic jams on that road are incredible...
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I've been in Andorra in late 2007 (before first snowfall). Awesome place, loved it, save for the expensive parking.

However, I was deeply disappointed by the lack of good road access (or airport or rail access, for that matter) to Andorra. I was driving from Italy, so no big deal, but I guess Andorra is shortchanged among the other European microstates (Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Vatican, Monaco and San Marino), when it comes to access to the European road network.

What do you think of the possibilities of widening the remaining 2X1 sectors of the N20 down from Foix and joining them with a possible new section of the C-16 in Spain north from Berga? Of couse another eastward 2X2 (even if non-motorway) connection with Perpignan would be awesome, but I can live without that.
The C-16 - A66 conection is on the works... kind of.... According to France and Spain by 2020 they will be conected by a motorway and it will be possible to travel from Barcelona until Toulousse via Puigcerda (very near Andorra) on motorway saving 100 km from the current option (via Perpignan). Trust is works are very slow. As far as I know currently they are only working on the planning stages of the motorway upgrade of the Berga-Cadi Tunnel section on Spain and the construction of a good road to bypass Puigcerda and connect with France's N20 on La Tour de Carol (local newspapers mentioned the agreement between Spain and France to build this new road early this year).
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Old January 16th, 2012, 12:51 PM   #35
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Official Road Map of Andorra in PDF format (6 MB):

http://www.mot.ad/docs/ctres45k_llista_300dpi.pdf
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Old January 19th, 2012, 12:07 PM   #36
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When did they create the CG-5 and 6?

Were these roads refurbished?
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Old January 19th, 2012, 01:12 PM   #37
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Here is a recent photo of those tunnels in Andorra. For the information i 've got connects CG-1 and CG-2:
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Not CG-1 and CG-2 but CG-2 and CG-3.

I explain...

As you will see in the road map, all roads are considered they start in the government building at the city of Andorra la vella.

Road CG-1 goes south through Spanish border.
Road CG-2 goes north east through French border.

Tunnel will connect northern Andorra la vella (and Escaldes) with the roads to the interior of the country (north west). This is CG-2 and CG-3.

Furthermore... the road that goes from Sant Julia de Loria to Os de Civis could be one of the few roads out of Schengen treaty with no kind of police control in both sides.

Os de Civis is in Spain but as you will see in the map, going anywhere requires to cross twice Andorra. There are not any control to go there because they know that anyone going there will require to come back in the same road.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 12:28 PM   #39
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That's tragic, wow.-
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Old January 20th, 2012, 10:09 PM   #40
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When did they create the CG-5 and 6?

Were these roads refurbished?
CG-5 and 6 were created on Febrary 21st, 2005. Here's the law 7/2005: http://www.bopa.ad/bopa.nsf/c56341fc...3?OpenDocument

Later, on July 2007, a decree renamed secundary roads (Carreteres Secundàries). Note that CS-1xx roads are branches of CG-1, CS-2xx of CG-2 and so on. Here the decree: http://www.bopa.ad/bopa.nsf/c56341fc...9?OpenDocument
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