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Old January 21st, 2012, 12:36 AM   #41
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off-topic.....

it is an official Andorran government document and...it is signed by Seu d'Urgel bishop and by French republic president.


why?... Andorran history...
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Old January 21st, 2012, 11:18 AM   #42
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Yes, they have two heads-of-state, which is somewhat unique in the world.

What is funny, they have a town named Anyòs, which (save for the accent, which should be an "aigu") means mother-in-law in Hungarian ... :-D
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Old January 21st, 2012, 12:07 PM   #43
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Switzerland (and a few other countries in the past) has more than one head of state.
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Old January 22nd, 2012, 02:41 AM   #44
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Yes, they have two heads-of-state, which is somewhat unique in the world.

What is funny, they have a town named Anyòs, which (save for the accent, which should be an "aigu") means mother-in-law in Hungarian ... :-D

It is because a church related to Sant Cristofol d'Anyos (Saint Christopher).

"NY" should be pronounced like "GN" in French or Italian



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Switzerland (and a few other countries in the past) has more than one head of state.

Yeah... but they have two different head of state... being one of them the bishop of the area and the other one the president of the republic. They make that since a long time ago and assures them to be in peace with both countries.

On the other hand, Spanish and French police and army can enter in the country depending of situation. Andorra has not own army.
That happened in the early 20th century several times and I do not know anytime later.

Being one of the head of state a bishop makes that it is the second most catholic country all over Europe after Vatican city (you can read some of their laws and they are, at least, curious).
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Old July 31st, 2012, 04:39 PM   #45
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Túnel de les Dos Valires finally opened today after 7 years of works. It is a 2910-m, twin-tube tunnel that will relieve Andorra La Vella from traffic going from Encamp to La Massana.

Press release from the Andorran government:

http://www.govern.ad/index.php?optio...ires&Itemid=32

There is a plate in that elevated roundabout that remembers the 7 workers that died during the construction of the tunnel.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 02:39 PM   #46
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I visited this microstate earlier this summer and made some videos of the country's crowded, nicely-engineered main roads.

First one is CG-1 between the Spanish border and Andorra la Vella:



Video features the new Sant Julià de Lòria bypass, which is part of a massive project that is currently halted due to financial difficulties. Another remarkable feature is the entrance to Andorra la Vella, which features flexible (bus/all traffic, and reversible) lanes for a good deal of its length. Despite looking pretty urban, the stretch North from the dog-bone roundabout is actually a bypass.

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Old September 8th, 2014, 04:53 PM   #47
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Loved the video, thank you so much!
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Old September 8th, 2014, 05:58 PM   #48
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Andorra: Landscape by lutzmeyer, on Flickr
CS type road ( secondary road )

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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:26 AM   #49
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Current Andorran map is this one:

http://visitandorra.com/es/content/d...al_andorra.pdf

CG Means general road.

Nowadays there are six ones. All of them have the km. 0 in the government building and they can share the first kilometres.

CG-1 go to the border with Spain (after Sant Julia de Loria)
CG-2 go to the border with France (in Pas de la Casa)
CG-3 and CG-4 make and Y in the north-west valleys approaching those areas. CG-3 ends in the same border with Spain but there is no more road, only a off-road path
CG-5 is a little branch of CG-3
and CG-6 is a road to go to the Spanish exclave of Os de Civis
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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:41 AM   #50
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Entering in Andorra... (all borders)

CG-1 from Spain
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.43533...KAjyyYPe0A!2e0

CG-2 from France crossing Pas de la Casa (all buildings are in Andorra and left building is absolutely boundary)

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.54358...k5iSTC0bHA!2e0

CG-2 from France crossing the Envalira tunnel (just some metres before. There is no Andorra signal but the little river is the border. Ahead, the tolled tunnel)
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.54877...QermDsrQow!2e0

CG-3 from nowhere in Spain (just turn 180º... the only Andorran signal is the name of the road)

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.54637...aLYZu_b2vw!2e0


and CG-6 coming from the Spanish exclave of Os de Civis (it is so small this village that they do not pay for goods bought in Andorra and consumed in the town. But... for any other goods moving within Spain they must enter in Andorra and cross the general customs Andorra-Spain where they have to declare)

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.49546...vyw4H2yLBQ!2e0

Here... only the road name ahead and a signal about a natural park (with a Catalan environment logo) in the back are the "signs" to know you are crossing and out-EU and non-Schengen border

(no booths ahead!)
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Old September 9th, 2014, 11:40 AM   #51
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It's not CG-3 (which runs to Arcalís ski station) but CG-4 the road which connects with a Spanish dirt road.

By the way, CG-6 was formerly a secondary road, I believe it was CS-110. Same goes to CG-5 in Arinsal (CS-410)
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CG-5 was a secondary one at first.

First time I was in Andorra there were only four CGs
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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:26 PM   #53
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CG-3 from nowhere in Spain (just turn 180º... the only Andorran signal is the name of the road)

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.54637...aLYZu_b2vw!2e0
It's not nowhere but a dirt road that goes to Tor, a small village where rivalry between families due to the property of a mountain resulted in three murdered out of thirteen houses (article is in Catalan). This road was very popular among smugglers when Spain was an isolated country, between 1940 and the 1950s.
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A video of CG-2. This is the road linking Andorra with France. Most relevant new feature since I was last there (2011) is twin-tube Túnel de Ràdio Andorra, which bypasses the corner with the same name. Also, new alignments are popping out here and there. There are also several four-lane stretches, with and without a median.

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Video of Port d'Envalira. At 2,408 meters over sea level, this is the highest mountain pass in the Pyrenees. It's bypassed by a toll tunnel that's also featured in the video:

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My final Andorran video is Túnel de les Dos Valires, a three-kilometer, twin-tube tunnel that links the two valleys shaping Andorra. Both ends have funky elevated-roundabout interchanges. The construction of the whole thing took 8 years and 7 workers were killed during it.



Video also features Túnel del Pont Pla, a shorter tunnel linking Andorra La Vella with La Massana. It opened in 2006 and in 2008 it was the highest-scoring tunnel in that year's EuroTAP report.
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My final Andorran video is Túnel de les Dos Valires, a three-kilometer, twin-tube tunnel that links the two valleys shaping Andorra. Both ends have funky elevated-roundabout interchanges. The construction of the whole thing took 8 years and 7 workers were killed during it.



Video also features Túnel del Pont Pla, a shorter tunnel linking Andorra La Vella with La Massana. It opened in 2006 and in 2008 it was the highest-scoring tunnel in that year's EuroTAP report.
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I will visit the country in next month but will try to answer old questions

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Is it true that Andorra only has one main road through the whole Country? Nice photos btw

Well we could say two ones. The country is mainly an "Y" coming from Spain. After the capital (let's remember it is an independent country out of EU indeed. Spain and France have their embassies despite they are 10 and 20 km away from their country. Several other countries have a consulate, rest ones choose nearest consulate or embassy to be consulate for that country. Andorra has embassies in Spain, France, Portugal, Belgium and Austria according to al official page) you can go forward to French border or turn left to another valley.
At first, km. 0 of all roads would be the national parliament. Nowadays that area is a strong shopping and narrow street (and all traffic crossed there). They chose a secondary road that made a sort of Andorra bypass to rename as CG-1 and CG-2. The point where they "join" is in the cross with CG-3 at the same time. It belongs to Andorra municipality by about 100 metres only (there are seven municipalities in the country).

CG-3 enters in a valley that later will be another Y. Therefore, CG-4... and later CG-5.



[QUOTE=ChrisZwolle;33505064]The used to use the French Franc and the Spanish Peseta. They don't have an own currency.
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Not to get crazy they used always peseta because they received more tourists from Spain and had more relations but French Franc was also official in the country. If a company wanted to have their accounts in Francs they could (I guess nobody but...) and everyone was entitled to ask price in Francs without extra exchange fees. In some shops they posted in both currencies but due to everyday exchange rates it was often to see in Pesetas. Anyway.. AFAIK, there was no exchange fee for peseta-franc.

Parliament decided to use Euro one year later it was created (when still used only for electronic issues).

Nowadays they have a treaty with European central bank and you could see 1 euro Andorran coins, valid in all eurozone.



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Yes, the CG-1/CG-2 axis is the only main road, though there are some other roads with numbers, I thought up to CG-5, but those are secondary and dead-end roads.
Up to CG-6. From Sant Julia de Loria, the southern municipality, there is a road to Os de Civis, the Spanish periclave (and the only non-Schengen border without booths)


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What does CG mean?
As Chris said, Carretera general (General road). In addition, CS-XX is Carretera secundaria

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Nice signage. The red background under the most important destinations (France, Spain, the capital) is brilliant I definitely want to visit this country.
It is weird because in a lot of countries we always say it will help to point nearest towns or cities in other countries and... really in Andorra it is enough to point Spain, France, Andorra la vella (capital) and maybe nearest destinations.

This is... if you see "France" you know you are going up into valley, direction north-east. Instead of Encamp and Canillo (two municipalities in the road) they point France (even Pas de la Casa, great ski resort that it bounds with France... they only point France)
if you see Spain... valley down, despite where you are (except in next two km from Pas de la Casa of course). And Spain means booths to La Seu d'Urgell. This is... when reaching CG-4, km.18 (https://www.google.es/maps/@42.54644...7i13312!8i6656) they... do not point "Spain", even that picture is an international border... (nowhere to go indeed)
or Os de Civis (https://www.google.es/maps/@42.49517...7i13312!8i6656)

and Andorra la Vella to know centre of roads.


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So how many kilometers of motorways do they have? I guess even Poland has more
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There are no motorways nor expressways in Andorra. Not really necessary too. The country has a population of only 72,000 of which only 23,000 live in the capital.

Providing a 2x2 with different carriages, only this tunnel

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.52934...2!8i6656?hl=es

Maximum speed in the country is 90, they do not say you can drive faster in that tunnel


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It's the third accident in that tunnel. The first one happened in March 2007, the second one was in April 2009 and also a Portuguese worker died in each. RIP.

Five Portuguese workers dead in works. Bridge in north of tunnel was called Lisbon bridge after them (AFAIK)


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I'd love to visit Andorra, I wonder how it differs between Spain and France.
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yeah, and language - they speak catalan with spanish accent, not with french. it is definitely more under spanish influence
They have more influence from Spain despite they have relations with both countries.
Reason?. To reach France you may go over the highest paved mountain pass in the Pyrenees (and nowadays a tolled tunnel), another mountain pass in France and some km away will reach Foix and far away Toulouse.

To Spain, just going down in the valley they find several towns that give services to their areas and easier access.
For instance, they have university since 1997. Few careers at first and I remember that they had a treaty to study first years of some careers in the country and last years in Barcelona.

It is only a fact.... there are more ones. Maybe main one, they do not learn Spanish.. they speak it (and write it without mistakes). You can choose Spanish, French or Andorran education system in schools (and language to have there). Should you choose an Andorran, main language is Calatan, foreing languages are English and French. Nobody study Spanish there, everyone speaks more than strongly accurately
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Up to CG-6. From Sant Julia de Loria, the southern municipality, there is a road to Os de Civis, the Spanish periclave (and the only non-Schengen border without booths)
There is a Croatian road through Slovenia and an Estonian road through Russia without booths.
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Yes I know... but only for a little metres and doesn't allow to entry Russia, just to pass.

From Os de Civis (Spain) to the rest of Spain you may cross Andorran territory. It is a 100ish village with a little hotel. They pay taxes as Spains citizens and hotel must make invoices with VAT. But they can buy anything in Andorra duty free. This is... no bother if they buy anything and sell there. Quite more expensive if a small custom there.

Should they buy anything and wanna go to mainland they have to enter Andorra and later main customs

There is a treaty where Andorra will let all fire brigades and ambulances to go pass free until CG-1 and CG-6 to reach Os de Civis (despite it is usual they offer service because nearest) and never to police or army.
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