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Old September 8th, 2017, 12:38 AM   #61
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Why no police? Isn't the village too small to have its police station?
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Old September 8th, 2017, 12:46 AM   #62
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Why no police? Isn't the village too small to have its police station?
120 inhabitants...


I read that once that police had to go for evidence for a judge they went in helicopter.


You could go in summer to the rest of the country providing you have a good off-road or wanna do a lot of trekking. But... should you have any good that should be declared, you could make smuggling.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 12:57 AM   #63
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Why doesn't Andorra allow Spanish police to transit in case of need (without doing police actions in Andorran territory)?
Among EU members such deals are common, police is allowed to cross borders for several reasons.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 01:10 AM   #64
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They do not let French police too but there is barely villages near France.

I should have to ask for but for a time it was "invaded" by Spanish and French police at the same time. They really did nothing and all local issues were dealed by local police.

I do not know when but they aren't allowed.

Anyway, Andorra has a strongly down crime rate. They do not have army and only 240 officers (to deal with customs, borders, security and mainly.... traffic management!!!) for 80.000 people.

In any case, should anything happen in Os de Civis, both Spanish and Andorran police could close borders and go to have a glance



Another hint about forces... in case of catastrophe (last one in 1982), they can make a call to all citizens and "head of family" must collaborate in works. It is a deal coming from Middle Age and happened last time in 1982 but... remains.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 01:32 AM   #65
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OK, two pictures about Andorran roads... and I promise more info (and something about customs)



CG-2, from capital to French border.
In the middle of the picture Meritxell church, the symbol of the country (friday was national day)



CS-240 and partially CG-2 looking toward France. Ahead Envalira mountain pass and still snow in the mountains (despite all the winter)


They have been taken from the best aerial mountainscape point in the the country

Two years ago, Andorra payed for a cycling day in the Vuelta a España inside the country and... with six mountain passes (five ones and an arrival to a hill). This was one out of them and considered as first category (road in the picture was to go down, going up is so strong)
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Old September 11th, 2017, 01:48 AM   #66
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And about network...

Almost from anyside in the country they point three destinations and next town or village.
Those three destinations will be Andorra la Vella (capital), Spain and France. They will be in white over purple colour. Next town(s) or villages or whatever as usual. There are seven municipalities in the country (Escaldes and Andorra are joined, I went to Escaldes, parked in the nearest side I found and GPS said it was in Andorra)


Main network are six roads as said CG-1 to CG-6 PLUS "TDV" (as said... "tunel de les dos Valires") which it is 95% inside a tunnel.


Secondary roads consider first network (without CG-5 and 6). This is, providing which is CG-X to depart (km.0) they set CS-XYY.

And maybe this CS-240 is one out of those that joins two different CG roads. It is not usual because it means a mountain pass out of main network, but there are someones. In this case, up to hill, CS-240 (with km.0 in CG-2) and CS-340 after hill (going down to have km 0 in CG-3)

Looking to network it is a nighmare. Found no sense to a 2x2 tunnel (2,9 km lenght!!!!) . Drove twice, ok, one whilst night but second one in midday and barely traffic. I wonder why they just did a 1x1 and another tunnel in another side of country.

Congestions are crazy coming from Spain, not from France. Being in the upper side of the country, CG-2 seemed peaceful while CG-1 was congested.

And, they will remain bigger problems because they did some bypasses and now building near them. At least you do not have to cross main avenues to go anywhere.

Coming from CG-3/4 to south they say that to Andorra or Escaldes (downtown), going through little tunnels and to Spain or France via Tunel de les dos Valires. A little detour but faster.

And.. found non-sense in CG-1 with a road 1x2 or 2x1 depending of areas. It could seem that for avoiding congestions but indeed lines are painting only in one direction. This is, they will change only in special cases (or never)

In border, only one booth opened. Spanish police were awared looking to all cars but never stopping, just looking plates and faces of drivers, and not asking for passports. Just drive through slowly but one booth opened instead of two or three.

Nowadays main congestion is in nearest town to Spain and solution should be a hard new road in the other side of the mountain or just a road below all roundabouts or so...
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Old September 11th, 2017, 01:22 PM   #67
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There are plans to build a full bypass of Sant Julià de Lòria. Currently only a short section (which doesn't show in Google Maps despite being open to traffic since 2014) has been opened, but the procedures to complete it are still ongoing (news article).
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Thx... can you point from/to the project will go?
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Old September 19th, 2017, 10:32 AM   #69
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End of CG-1 in Andorra (could be posted as border crossing). These are "all facilities" Andorra has in the border with Spain plus several passport booths.

They barely use them but I saw how they took one random car (not Spanish, Andorran or French car plate) to have a check... but they usually are fast.

Picture is taken here
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.43555...2!8i6656?hl=es

Back in the picture, passport booths (first ones Andorrans, second ones Spanish).
As can be seen, not enough infrastructure to call to be checked to all cars, just random





AFAIK, it is CG-1, km. 11.8 indeed
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