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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:13 AM   #4881
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Oh ok. So for Yokohama residents who want to go to Ginza and Ueno will need to use the Tokyu Den-en-Toshi Line that will bring passengers to Omote-Sando and change for the Ginza Line there, correct? Same thing for the return trip…
Yup, Tokyu Toyoko line to Shibuya then change lines to the Hanzomon line and change again at Omotesando but that is only one alternative route and it depends totally on where your final destination is. If it's from Yokohama station to Ginza or Ueno I believe it would be much simpler(and cheaper) for them to take the JR lines.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:17 AM   #4882
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Yup, Tokyu Toyoko line to Shibuya then change lines to the Hanzomon line and change again at Omotesando but that is only one alternative route and it depends totally on where your final destination is. If it's from Yokohama station to Ginza or Ueno I believe it would be much simpler(and cheaper) for them to take the JR lines.
Aha. Now that adds to the complexity even further… I'm thinking of like riding the Tōkaidō Line to Tokyo and switching there for the Yamanote Line (for Ueno) or getting off at Shimbashi and take a walk to Ginza.

And by the way, is the Keihin-Tohoku Line similar to the Tōkaidō Line in terms of route alignment? Just wondering...
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:34 AM   #4883
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And by the way, is the Keihin-Tohoku Line similar to the Tōkaidō Line in terms of route alignment? Just wondering...
Between Yokohama and Tokyo Station, the Keihin Tohoku Line is essentially the local (all stops) service for the Tokaido Line, being parallel.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:39 AM   #4884
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Aha. Now that adds to the complexity even further… I'm thinking of like riding the Tōkaidō Line to Tokyo and switching there for the Yamanote Line (for Ueno) or getting off at Shimbashi and take a walk to Ginza.

And by the way, is the Keihin-Tohoku Line similar to the Tōkaidō Line in terms of route alignment? Just wondering...
Have you ever tried these systems?

http://www.jorudan.co.jp/english/

http://www.navitime.co.jp/transfer/

They are quite popular and various companies provide them on-line.If you punch in the point of origin and destination as well as the time you start or desired arrival time, they will not only give you the fastest route but also alternative routes and will also give you the cost of tickets for each route.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:48 AM   #4885
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Have you ever tried these systems?

http://www.jorudan.co.jp/english/

http://www.navitime.co.jp/transfer/

They are quite popular and various companies provide them on-line.If you punch in the point of origin and destination as well as the time you start or desired arrival time, they will not only give you the fastest route but also alternative routes and will also give you the cost of tickets for each route.
I just tried Jorudan, and I find it really useful. I can even pick what kind of seating I want myself; the problem could be that I cannot easily choose whether or not I want to take the Rapid, Limited Express, Commuter Express, or Liner trains to make my journey even faster. Navitime, on the other hand, is in Japanese only... Perhaps I want to learn Japanese since I truly want to explore Tokyo similar to a local because I am deeply fond of large cities with complex rail, subway, and bus networks myself.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:51 AM   #4886
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I just tried Jorudan, and I find it really useful. I can even pick what kind of seating I want myself; the problem could be that I cannot easily choose whether or not I want to take the Rapid, Limited Express, Commuter Express, or Liner trains to make my journey even faster. Navitime, on the other hand, is in Japanese only... Perhaps I want to learn Japanese since I truly want to explore Tokyo similar to a local because I am deeply fond of large cities with complex rail, subway, and bus networks myself.
Quick note, they are not limited to Tokyo and can be used to simulate travel time all across Japan.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:53 AM   #4887
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Oh please, these folks up here complain about everything!
Starrwulfe, you likely already know, but in general people in Japan are highly critical of any shortcomings in railway service (warranted or not)- but the high standards the railways are held to (employees apologizing for a one minute delay, etc.)are a big reason why the services are so good. One trip to a foreign country not named Switzerland will make them thankful for what they have.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:55 AM   #4888
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Starrwulfe, you likely already know, but in general people in Japan are highly critical of any shortcomings in railway service (unwarranted or not)- but the high standards the railways are held to are a big reason why the services are so good. One trip to a foreign country not named Switzerland will make them thankful for what they have.
I truly want to emulate Japan's rail and subway services: punctual, efficient, modern, clean… I truly highly regard Japan's rail network as my standard for urban rail travel.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:57 AM   #4889
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Quick note, they are not limited to Tokyo and can be used to simulate travel time all across Japan.
All right! That means I won't be surprised if I see Kodama, Hikari, or Nozomi if I want to travel between, say, Tokyo and Shin-Osaka.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 09:58 AM   #4890
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All right! That means I won't be surprised if I see Kodama, Hikari, or Nozomi if I want to travel between, say, Tokyo and Shin-Osaka.
Try Shibuya to Hiroshima, you'll not only find Shinkansen but also airline options as well.
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I just tried Jorudan, and I find it really useful. I can even pick what kind of seating I want myself; the problem could be that I cannot easily choose whether or not I want to take the Rapid, Limited Express, Commuter Express, or Liner trains to make my journey even faster.
Another note, when you specify the time of departure or time of arrival the system automatically calculates the fastest route selecting whichever mode would be available so you do not have to consider whether it be Rapid, Limited Express, Commuter Express, Liner, etc. as long as you specify that you will be willing to pay the extra charge for the special services if there are any with the specified time.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 11:46 AM   #4892
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Really? So tell me: what's a best way to transfer to and from the Ginza Line if you come in from Yokohama, if I want to bypass Shibuya altogether?
For me it's easy: transfer at Naka Meguro and take the Hibiya line. If I'm headed to Ueno or Akihabara of course. I rarely use the Ginza line to get anywhere because the Mita, Namboku, and Hibiya lines directly run into my station on the Meguro or Toyoko line....
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Try Shibuya to Hiroshima, you'll not only find Shinkansen but also airline options as well.
I tried Ueno to Hakata, and it showed me not just the Shinkansen, but also flying in to Fukuoka. Amazing.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 11:50 AM   #4894
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Starrwulfe, you likely already know, but in general people in Japan are highly critical of any shortcomings in railway service (warranted or not)- but the high standards the railways are held to (employees apologizing for a one minute delay, etc.)are a big reason why the services are so good. One trip to a foreign country not named Switzerland will make them thankful for what they have.
This American grew up on the NY subway and LA Metro. Once I waited 45 minutes for a train to only finally be told the whole line was shut down due to a power outage. No announcement and no substitute bus either! So I don't mind a few stairs to get to a train that's always at the platform waiting 98% of the time
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For me it's easy: transfer at Naka Meguro and take the Hibiya line. If I'm headed to Ueno or Akihabara of course. I rarely use the Ginza line to get anywhere because the Mita, Namboku, and Hibiya lines directly run into my station on the Meguro or Toyoko line....
Ah ok. So it looks like many train lines head to the same destinations, it's just that they operate through different stations, true? I remember Naka-Meguro station because that was the station I used when I visited Tokyo… I visited Tokyo in 2005 because my uncle's brother, who works for DHL, lived in a rental place in Meguro, and he welcomed me into his place. I stayed at his place for a total of five nights, and I enjoyed a lot on that trip (although, I was thrown off on the last night when my uncle, aunt, and I dropped off at Meguro Station from the Yamanote Line instead of Ebisu and change to Naka-Meguro, and ended up taking a taxi back to the place!)
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This American grew up on the NY subway and LA Metro. Once I waited 45 minutes for a train to only finally be told the whole line was shut down due to a power outage. No announcement and no substitute bus either! So I don't mind a few stairs to get to a train that's always at the platform waiting 98% of the time
Dang… that's bad. I hope I'm not the one you're referring to. I have had my share of horror stories commuting by light rail, commuter rail, and buses too.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #4897
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Nope, this was MARTA in Atlanta. It was around 1999 or so when I was still in college. The station wasn't unmanned either--it had a rail police substation inside and I'm sure someone in there knew something. Finally a custodian came through to change the garbage out and said "They had a problem earlier with the power-- you might want to call control on that intercom over there" and pointed towards the turnstyles. I did exactly that and asked why there was no sign or no busses and they were just as perplexed as I was.

I ended up just calling my job (was trying to get to work!) and getting someone to lend me some taxi money when I got there. I bought a car a week later.

One of the reasons I love Japan so much is because even in the most remote areas, there's still at least a bus or something that will come through. And of course, in the cities, no worries at all.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #4898
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Have you ever tried these systems?

http://www.jorudan.co.jp/english/

http://www.navitime.co.jp/transfer/

They are quite popular and various companies provide them on-line.If you punch in the point of origin and destination as well as the time you start or desired arrival time, they will not only give you the fastest route but also alternative routes and will also give you the cost of tickets for each route.
When I was in Japan back in '04 I used systems like that, I think I mostly used sites like Yahoo which based their routings on those databases. I thought it was pretty amazing.

But since then, the rest of the world has "caught up" thanks to Google Maps, which in fact has several major features over the Japanese systems (or, at least, compared with how they were back then.)

So for those of you currently living in Japan, is Google Maps popular at all for transit directions compared to jorudan etc? It is of course is available on any smart phone with the Google Maps app and smart phones seem to be just as popular in Japan as anywhere else. As I recall, Google acutally based their initial transit feed on Jorudan or Navitime or something.

The benefit I see with Google is that it shows the results on a map, and allows you to punch in an address or landmark or use a GPS location as the origin/destination, rather than just a station, so if there are multiple stations within walking distance of you or your destination, then it gives you an idea of what's best, including walking time. They're also even including more and more bus lines (including Hiroden Bus which I rode every day.)

For example, my commute to school back in 2004:
orulz's apartment to Hiroshima Shudo University.

Are there any other systems other than Google that can do that?
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Old February 26th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #4899
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Starrwulfe, you likely already know, but in general people in Japan are highly critical of any shortcomings in railway service (warranted or not)- but the high standards the railways are held to (employees apologizing for a one minute delay, etc.)are a big reason why the services are so good. One trip to a foreign country not named Switzerland will make them thankful for what they have.
Valid point

But remember, strict punctuality must never ever be pushed by compromising over passenger safety.

Remember, you push any given system beyond the brink and over the limits and thus there are consequences that can arise.....

Or are some people already forgetting about what happened at Amagasaki?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amagasaki_rail_crash

People should be thankful that they have working train services to begin with.

I agree with starrwulfe in a sense that people shouldn't complain irrationally.

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Btw, speaking of Amagasaki, I really hope that JR has stopped its controversial and demeaning Nikkin Kyoiku (日勤教育) 'retraining programs'.

I swear that practice is really dehumanizing and disgusting
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Nobody is "forgetting" Amagasaki... But rail crashes are such isolated incidents that one or two events doesn't necessarily tell you as much as you might be tempted to pull out of it, for whatever motivation. Japan still has one of the safest rail networks in the world (if not the safest):
http://pedestrianobservations.wordpr...e-rail-safety/

And that's with the sparkling OTP and some of the highest passenger, train, and grade crossing densities you will find anywhere in the developed world.
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