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Old March 30th, 2009, 11:30 AM   #21
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This is the same for the Overseas departments, collectivities and territories of France:

Kerguelen Islands, Crozet Islands and other islands of the French Southern and Antarctic Lands
French Polynesia
New Caledonia
French Carribeban Islands (Martinique, Guadeloupe, 2/3 of St-Martin, St-Barth)
French Guiana (as well as Brazil and Suriname have a border with France & European Union)
Mayotte Island (who voted yasterday for staying French (at 95,2%) and becoming the 101st Department of France)
Reunion Island
Saint-Pierre & Miquelon
Wallis and Futuna
Clipperton Island

All these territories are parts of France although they are very far from the Metropolitan France. The Country is sovereign there.

French Overseas departments, collectivities and territories


European Union outermost Regions and overseas territories:

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Old April 3rd, 2009, 05:04 AM   #22
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Ja Ja...poor brits...they have to thank dadi USA for existing (remember WW2?)....we understand only one thing: UK invaded our lands and we will never surrender! (Always in peace, of course)
Invaded? How did the UK invade your lands? Educate me.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 10:39 AM   #23
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Actually, their name is Islas Malvinas, and they are in Argentina.
Falklands. British kicked Argentinas ass last time, and i see nothing stopping them from doing it again.

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Ja Ja...poor brits...they have to thank dadi USA for existing (remember WW2?)....we understand only one thing: UK invaded our lands and we will never surrender! (Always in peace, of course)
Well we in the USA should thank the British for colonizing us so Britain is our mother and we were the oldest son coming to her aid in WW 1 and 2. Britain would have fought back the Germans at any point with or without the Americans.

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I'm French !

In France we say "thank you" to: Sir Winston Churchill !!!!!!!
What about Mr Franklin Roosevelt?

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These islands are english! besides, the stanley citizens want to be from England, not argentines....
And it looks like an English town.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 10:41 AM   #24
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Invaded? How did the UK invade your lands? Educate me.
If anything the British educated them! HAHA.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 06:25 PM   #25
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What about Mr Franklin Roosevelt?
Of course !!!

But without Winston Churchill, the US never came in Europe for helping us.
F.D.Roosevelt (who has a beautiful avenue in Paris with his name) and D. Eisenhower wanted to treat France like Germany because we collaborated and this is W. Churchill who persuaded them to treat us as a winner (with a permanent seat at the UN) !!
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 09:28 PM   #26
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Old April 4th, 2009, 10:48 PM   #27
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Oh, what a grat idea!
A thread of the Falklands/Malvinas Islands!
And in the anniversary of the War!
Shurely nobody is going to discuss here!!!!!!!!!!


What the f*** were you thinking when you did this thread?Why don`t you make one of Kosovo or Tibet too?
This kind of Threads atract disscutions, don`t pretend to be surprised when you read this type of comments.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 03:10 PM   #28
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how do you guys pronounce falkland?
Folcland.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 07:28 PM   #29
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The British invations to the Rio de la Plata in 1806/1807
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:43 PM   #30
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The British invations to the Rio de la Plata in 1806/1807
The population of Argentina is largely European by descent.

Perhaps you should all get out, return to Spain, Italy, Germany etc and leave Argentina to the native Americans?

Well?

Seriously, the history of the world is characterised by the migration of tribes (whether peaceful or violent) and subsequently by exploration and colonization. Indeed, even indigenous American tribes are believed by most scholars to have originally migrated from Asia.

So how far do you want to go back?

Sure, the Falkland islands are much closer to Argentina than they are to Britain (though, if it's proximity you're looking for, Chile also has a pretty good claim). But the islands are still 300 miles distant from Argentina - that's 288 miles beyond Argentina's Territorial Waters and 100 miles beyond Argentina's Exclusive Economic Zone.

The only relevant claim on the country is therefore the fact that the population of the Falklands Islands wishes them to remain a United Kingdom territory. Unless or until that changes, Argentina can have no legitimate claim.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 10:04 PM   #31
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the southest and coldest South American capital city... between the South cone and the Antartica
Actually, the southernmost city in South America is Puerto Williams, located in Chile.


And we all know the Falkland Islands are british territory.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 10:39 PM   #32
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in all south america their name is Islas Malvinas.

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Old April 6th, 2009, 03:41 AM   #33
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I mean no disrespect, and people are entitled to their opinions ... BUT ...

are you aware that there are still a few poor demented individuals who still claim Virginia, the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Alabama and the other Southern States are still part of the Confederate States Of America??

Yep, they say "We will never surrender! The South shall rise again! Richmond, Virginia is the capital of the CSA!!! We will get our independence yet!!!"

There is something sweet yet sad that some folks still hold on to a romantic dream. It's kinda pathetic, really.

Maybe these "Malvina" people can join the Confederates and share their fantasies of re-writing history and making believe they won their wars ...
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Old April 6th, 2009, 03:58 AM   #34
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Sure, the Falkland islands are much closer to Argentina than they are to Britain (though, if it's proximity you're looking for, Chile also has a pretty good claim). But the islands are still 300 miles distant from Argentina - that's 288 miles beyond Argentina's Territorial Waters and 100 miles beyond Argentina's Exclusive Economic Zone.

The only relevant claim on the country is therefore the fact that the population of the Falklands Islands wishes them to remain a United Kingdom territory. Unless or until that changes, Argentina can have no legitimate claim.
Sorry but, the Argentinian claim is not only geographical..
IF YOU KNOW the history of the islands, you should know they had an Argentine governator when and English float invaded Malvinas

So, the actual "Falklanders" are living in a stolen territory... And they claim for their SELF-DETERMINATION when they didn't mind about the Argentines that were living in the islands in 1833
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Old April 6th, 2009, 10:03 AM   #35
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Sorry but, the Argentinian claim is not only geographical..
IF YOU KNOW the history of the islands, you should know they had an Argentine governator when and English float invaded Malvinas

So, the actual "Falklanders" are living in a stolen territory... And they claim for their SELF-DETERMINATION when they didn't mind about the Argentines that were living in the islands in 1833
I'm well aware of the history, thanks. But I repeat.......how far back in history do you want to go? The population of Argentina is predominantly European by descent. The indigenous South American people never asked to be colonized. So maybe you should cede Argentina (and all of South America) back to native Americans?

Well? That is the logical conclusion of your argument, after all. They were there long before you and you are "living in stolen territory".
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Old April 6th, 2009, 12:39 PM   #36
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The British invations to the Rio de la Plata in 1806/1807
Argentina didn't exist - those attacks were part of the Spanish Empire who we were fighting in the Napoleonic wars.
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And they claim for their SELF-DETERMINATION when they didn't mind about the Argentines that were living in the islands in 1833
Argentina is a stolen nation, your Spanish ancestors stole the land form the indigenous peoples, Argentina in its own right stole indigenous people's land it its Conquest of the Desert not to mention Paraguayan territory in the War of the Triple Alliance. Your arguments are pure hypocrisy.

Argentina is a simply a former Spanish colony, it isn't a indigenous population. The land didn't belong to them either. Your point seems to be a double standard that Spanish 17th Century imperialism is somehow OK and the rights of 9th generation Falkland Islanders shouldn't exist as they speak English.

Pure hypocrisy.
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Didint Argentina declare independance from Spain in 1816, a full 9 years AFTER Britian claimed the territory from Spain?
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Old April 6th, 2009, 03:39 PM   #39
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Actually, their name is Islas Malvinas, and they are in Argentina.
Great thread derailment there amaxver. Actually that's not legally true.

I'd like to thank your mother : )) for the great pix of a part of the world most of us would never see. Do you have any more?

As for the argument, isn't it time to move on? Argentina made a fool of itself in the 1980s and needs to put its own house in order and rejoin the modern world. I'm amazed such attitudes still exist 20 years later, which shows you have learnt nothing - and you were pretty naive at the time falling for a cheap trick by your military junta to distract from your problems and keep itself in power. Perhaps the Falkland Islanders might consider transferring their allegiance in the future if they knew they weren't giving up life under a modern parliamentary democracy for a system that has a habit of reverting to dictatorship and killing its people off.

My two bobs worth of diplomatic solution is to transfer the entire population of Argentina to the Falklands (they can then call it Malvinas if they like) and they can live there in perpetuity. Meanwhile Argentina can be returned to the native South Americans and they in turn can grant the city of Buenos Aires to the Falkland Islanders. Then everybody will be happy!
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Didint Argentina declare independance from Spain in 1816, a full 9 years AFTER Britian claimed the territory from Spain?
The Falklands Islands didn't become a UK territory until 1833, so Argentina was already in existence.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that it all happened a very long time ago. The Falklands have been a UK territory for the best part of 200 years. And, to be perfectly honest, hardly anyone in Britain or Argentina would give a damn about them if General Galtieri hadn't decided, in 1982, to try to distract the Argentinian people from from the hardship of life under the military junta by claiming back "Las Malvinas".

Galtieri made a severe error of judgement. He thought that Britain wouldn't respond and wouldn't come to the rescue of the Falkland islanders. It was, he thought, an easy way of stoking up Argentinian nationalism and winning support for the junta. How wrong he was. The humiliating defeat for the Argentinian armed forces precipitated the downfall of the junta and the return of democracy.

In that respect, Argentina should be profoundly grateful to Britain and to the Falkland islanders. The Falklands war didn't merely liberate the Falkland Islands. It liberated Argentina itself.

Personally, it saddens me that this dispute continues to divide our two nations. Before the conflict, my family had a great many Argentinian friends who used to visit regularly. They were wonderful, fun people. I tried to visit them a few years after the war but was denied a visa. Since then, we have lost touch with all of these friends. My Dad returned to Argentina earlier this year and tried to see some of them. But he had no reply. Such a shame.

And all because of a few, desolate square miles of land in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
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