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Old October 2nd, 2010, 12:33 AM   #61
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Old October 4th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #62
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I like this logic, I seem to remember the Queen still holds the title Duke of Normandy . . .
No, the title of Duke of Normandy was formally relinquished by the British Monarchy in 1801, by which time France had become a republic so it was not held by any member of the French aristocracy either.

By the way it is a shame to see how this thread has degenerated although I suppose it was to be expected. Why not just give back the islands (les Malouines) to the town of Saint-Malo and be done with it? And before anyone attacks me on this, I'm not serious, in fact I couldn't care less.

Any additional photos (of the islands) would be nice though.
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Old October 4th, 2010, 11:49 AM   #63
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I wonder what kind of people live in such desolate rock thousands of miles away from civilization. I wouldn't live there.

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Old October 4th, 2010, 09:12 PM   #64
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The U.N. Special Committee of the 24 on Decolonization stated that the Malvinas islands are a British colony.

The General Assembly of United Nations had adopted in 1960 the Resolution 1514, also known as the "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples" or simply "Declaration on Decolonization". It proclaimed that colonialism should be brought to a speedy and unconditional end.

The Malvinas islands are argentine in accordance with U.N. resolutions.



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Old October 4th, 2010, 10:57 PM   #65
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The U.N. Special Committee of the 24 on Decolonization stated that the Malvinas islands are a British colony.

The General Assembly of United Nations had adopted in 1960 the Resolution 1514, also known as the "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples" or simply "Declaration on Decolonization". It proclaimed that colonialism should be brought to a speedy and unconditional end.

The Malvinas islands are argentine in accordance with U.N. resolutions.


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Of course, it does actually help to have read the declaration and understood what it was against.

The declaration...

And to this end
Declares that:
1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.
4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.




It's about the human right of self-determination. i.e. giving people the choice about whether they want to be governed by colonisers or not.

The people of the Falklands have overwhelmingly stated a desire to remain under British rule, and the UN declaration therefore backs up that wish.

It would in fact be totally against Argentina taking over the islands, and would regard that as being against the Falklander's human rights.



Does the phrase "hoist by your own petard" translate well into Spanish?
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Old October 5th, 2010, 09:34 AM   #66
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The U.N. Special Committee of the 24 on Decolonization stated that the Malvinas islands are a British colony.

The General Assembly of United Nations had adopted in 1960 the Resolution 1514, also known as the "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples" or simply "Declaration on Decolonization". It proclaimed that colonialism should be brought to a speedy and unconditional end.

The Malvinas islands are argentine in accordance with U.N. resolutions.
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And Argentina is a Spanish colony, how about start packing your bags and returning this land to the natives?
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Old October 5th, 2010, 09:56 AM   #67
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we will come back..

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LAS ISLAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS
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Old October 5th, 2010, 09:57 AM   #68
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And Argentina is a Spanish colony, how about start packing your bags and returning this land to the natives?


With the same argue, any country around the world should do that, including yours.

The people living in Malvinas, don't have any right to self determination, pointless is ask the robber if he wanna keep what he stole.
Those british people were put there, in Argentine territory, by british pirates who attacked the island, violating every international treaty, including decolonization one.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 10:01 AM   #69
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Actually, the southernmost city in South America is Puerto Williams, located in Chile.


And we all know the Falkland Islands are british territory.
y la Patagonia es Argentina
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Old October 5th, 2010, 10:14 AM   #70
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I wanted to see a bit more images of Stanley, not this b..hit what's going on now.

Btw how long indigenous Argentinians (of how you call them?) lived on these islands before Brits ousted them? (I know, it's stupid question, but... to Argentina people - think a bit, don't fall that easy in a trap of populistic politicians)
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Old October 5th, 2010, 03:48 PM   #71
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There was never an idigenous population - certainly not in recorded history, and I don't believe there have been any arceological discoveries.

The whole of Patagonia was effectively uninhabited by humans when the Europeans first arrived - too desolate.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 04:48 PM   #72
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There was never an idigenous population - certainly not in recorded history, and I don't believe there have been any arceological discoveries.

The whole of Patagonia was effectively uninhabited by humans when the Europeans first arrived - too desolate.
No, there were people there, all the way down to Tierra del Fuego in fact.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 05:07 PM   #73
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to Argentina people - think a bit, don't fall that easy in a trap of populistic politicians)


this is the epithamy of ignorance!

to state argentinians don't think, and to say recognizing Malvinas as a stolen territory (UN does) is a trap.

if you don't know, history or the UN resolutions on this subject, just shut up; don't advice to think when you don't do it.

about the poputistic trap, are you refereing to UN resolutions?

this is the first time I know latvian that's not smart nor polite!
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Old October 5th, 2010, 06:37 PM   #74
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ISLAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS ARGENTINAS ARGENTINAS ARGENTINAS

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ISLAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS




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Old October 5th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #75
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I wonder what kind of people live in such desolate rock thousands of miles away from civilization. I wouldn't live there.
Consider yourself lucky that you had the common sense to edit your post or you would have had an infraction. Any more of that and you will receive one.
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There is confusion:
The "kelpers" are English settlers.
They came from England to settle in the islands.
The kelpers are not citizens of the Malvinas, are implanted.
They have no right to self-determination because they are British.
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There is confusion:
The "kelpers" are English settlers.
They came from England to settle in the islands.
The kelpers are not citizens of the Malvinas, are implanted.
They have no right to self-determination because they are British.
Hmm, so the sacrosanct UN resolution which you claimed proved legal ownership of the islands is now something which needs to be completely ignored?

Oooookay.
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Old October 6th, 2010, 12:40 AM   #78
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I will go to the british islands "X" and build a colony there, so then i could have the "self determination" argument....LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS.-
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Old October 6th, 2010, 04:11 AM   #79
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Old October 6th, 2010, 05:09 AM   #80
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These Thread generate conflict and fighting. The English know that Falkland is a delicate and controversial issue for the Argentines.
The same controversy as if Israel opened a thread on photos of Israeli settlements in Gaza and the West Bank or photographs on Tibet as Chinese territory, it would be unwise.
The United Nations considers the Falkland Islands as an area of territorial dispute, this means that England has no absolute right over the territory, and oil exploration work on the region, is a violation of international laws that Britain is a signatory.
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