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Old March 21st, 2009, 04:53 PM   #1
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KAZAKHSTAN | Railways

(did not find any thread for Kazakhstan Railroad, so I started a new one.)

Kazakhstan Railroad is suposed to play a major roll in a China - Europe rail link not using the Transsiberian Railroad. Furthermore it might be a possible supply line for the troops in Afghanistan.



Kazakhstan Temir Zholy (KTZ) recieves new diesel locomotives from GE. the first 10 are built in Erie (PA), the rest will be built in a new factory in Kazakhstan itself. They are derived from the latest Evolution generation.

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Old March 23rd, 2009, 06:34 AM   #2
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 07:52 PM   #3
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Yeah, you didn't write anything. What locos and choaches you have, what are speeds on your lines etc.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 08:59 PM   #4
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Too Amtrak-isque. Hmmm.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 09:31 PM   #5
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What standards will that proposed new line use - the 'standard' gauge and AAR type-E coupling, etc, used in China (their standards are identical to what is used in North America, too, BTW) or the Russian standards (broad gauge, Russian-style coupling, etc)?

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Old March 23rd, 2009, 10:14 PM   #6
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Kazakhstan uses russian standard.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 06:01 AM   #7
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Too Amtrak-isque. Hmmm.
it's looks nothing like Amtrak trains
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Old March 25th, 2009, 04:01 PM   #8
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Thursday November 27, 2008 1:50 PM

Alstom Interested in Kazakh High-Speed Railway Project

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/081127/4/3sppr.html

ASTANA, Nov 27 Asia Pulse - French company Alstom has expressed an interest in providing assistance in the development of a high-speed railway project between Astana and Almaty, according to the press service of the Ministry of Transport and Communications of Kazakhstan.According to the press service, the participants of the meeting, held under the presidency of Vice Minister of Transport and Communications of the Republic of Kazakhstan Zhenis Kasymbek, discussed the development project.
During the meeting the parties came to an agreement regarding the development of a feasibility study on the project.
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Kazakhstan uses russian standard.
Is/wasn't Kazakhstan planning on building their China-Europe 'transit' railroad to standard gauge, this to better match with the railroads in China and continental Europe?

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Old March 25th, 2009, 07:05 PM   #10
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Is/wasn't Kazakhstan planning on building their China-Europe 'transit' railroad to standard gauge, this to better match with the railroads in China and continental Europe?

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You have to understand that transporting by land across the vastness of Central Asia isn't nearly as fisible as the officials would want you to believe. China is better off shipping by sea.
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Is/wasn't Kazakhstan planning on building their China-Europe 'transit' railroad to standard gauge, this to better match with the railroads in China and continental Europe?

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Since Russia uses the 1524 mm gauge, it would make no sence for Kazakhstan to build a normal gauge railway.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 10:35 PM   #12
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You have to understand that transporting by land across the vastness of Central Asia isn't nearly as fisible as the officials would want you to believe. China is better off shipping by sea.
This is an absolutely false perception. There is a lot of interest from both
the shippers and the industry planners about a land link between Europe
and far orient. First because if well organized (and all all administrative and
border transit hassles dusted off) it will take only half the time it takes by
sea, and second because insecurity builds up in the sea transit lanes between
Europe and Asia, specially for high values cargoes.

As an example, the rail link between Iran and Pakistan is about to be finished,
and railways officials from Turkey, Iran and Pakistan have already secured
an agreement for an international container train between Istanbul and
Karachi. See http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...5-3-2009_pg5_2

That being said, there is little interest for Kasakstan to build a standard gauge
link all over their country. First because it would cost an arm and a leg, and
second because Kasakstan has no access to any standard gauge network
on its west border. It has either to go throug Russia or Turkmenistan, which
are both broad gauge, or through the caspian sea, with a broad gauge network at the other end (Azerbaijan) too. The only way to obtain an entire
standard gauge link between Europe and China, avoiding all countries where
a different gauge is in use, is to build a west-east rail link through Afghanistan. With the current state of affairs in place there, this is not going
to happen any time soon.
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Old March 28th, 2009, 03:08 PM   #13
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Stuck in snow, Kazakhstan (новая линия Защита - Чарск, перегон Сарыжал - Шалабай):

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This is an absolutely false perception. There is a lot of interest from both
the shippers and the industry planners about a land link between Europe
and far orient. First because if well organized (and all all administrative and
border transit hassles dusted off) it will take only half the time it takes by
sea, and second because insecurity builds up in the sea transit lanes between
Europe and Asia, specially for high values cargoes.

As an example, the rail link between Iran and Pakistan is about to be finished,
and railways officials from Turkey, Iran and Pakistan have already secured
an agreement for an international container train between Istanbul and
Karachi. See http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...5-3-2009_pg5_2

That being said, there is little interest for Kasakstan to build a standard gauge
link all over their country. First because it would cost an arm and a leg, and
second because Kasakstan has no access to any standard gauge network
on its west border. It has either to go throug Russia or Turkmenistan, which
are both broad gauge, or through the caspian sea, with a broad gauge network at the other end (Azerbaijan) too. The only way to obtain an entire
standard gauge link between Europe and China, avoiding all countries where
a different gauge is in use, is to build a west-east rail link through Afghanistan. With the current state of affairs in place there, this is not going
to happen any time soon.
I can easily see how these 'breaks' in railroad standards, such as in track gauge, between countries, especially between those in and out of the former Soviet Empire, can be a real and *major* impediment to international commerce.

(Imagining if the Russian railroads were laid in standard gauge 100+ years ago.)

That said, isn't Spain starting a process to convert its railroads from broad to standard gauge and didn't Australia standardize its railroads within the past decade or two? (The USA and the UK standardized their respective railroads in the mid to late 19th century.)

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Old March 28th, 2009, 08:52 PM   #15
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I can easily see how these 'breaks' in railroad standards, such as in track gauge, between countries, especially between those in and out of the former Soviet Empire, can be a real and *major* impediment to international commerce.

(Imagining if the Russian railroads were laid in standard gauge 100+ years ago.)

That said, isn't Spain starting a process to convert its railroads from broad to standard gauge and didn't Australia standardize its railroads within the past decade or two? (The USA and the UK standardized their respective railroads in the mid to late 19th century.)

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Spain and Australia are a little bit different to the size of the area which ist covered by 1524 mm. It's the former USSR + Mongolia + Finland.
So why don't change the 1435 mm countries to 1524?

Spain is a goog example for the costs and problems which cause such a gauge changing process. No, today there are better solutions for that problem: Cars which can be fast regauged at the border.
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(did not find any thread for Kazakhstan Railroad, so I started a new one.)

Kazakhstan Railroad is suposed to play a major roll in a China - Europe rail link not using the Transsiberian Railroad. Furthermore it might be a possible supply line for the troops in Afghanistan.
Where did you get the information that Kazakhstan is building a "rail" link between Europe and Asia. I don't think you got that part exactly right, as Kazakhstan is currently involved in construction of a cross-continental automobile link between China and Western Europe:

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Western Europe-Western China project’s realization to increase automobile transportation volumes fourfold
“Creation of the new transport corridor Western Europe-Western China will increase the volumes of the automobile transportation fourfold”, Transport and Communications Minister of Kazakhstan Serik Akhmetov told during the Government’s session
The realization of the project will let boost the volume of the automobile transportations from 900 thousand tons to 3.5 mln tons. The Government supported the proposals on financing of the technical-economic assessment’s development and investment model of the corridor.

The project implementation will let attract transportation flows from the Central Asian countries in addition to the cargos from China and Europe.
http://www.transkazakhstan.kz/en/200...-western_china



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Construction of the area of transported corridor "Western Europe - Western China" is launched in Aktobe [14:10] 14.10.2008, Kazakhstan Today

Aktobe. October 14. In Aktobe oblast the construction of the part of transport corridor, which connects Western Europe and Western China is launched, which goes via territory of the oblast.
According to deputy director of the department of committee of automobile roads in Aktobe oblast Ayazbay Usmangaliyev, 621 km will go through the territory of the oblast. The construction of the part Karabutak-Irgiz with length of 215 has been already started.
Preliminary works have been started already last year. At present asphalt is being laid on the site. At present about KZT2 billion have been spent, which were allocated from the republican budget. The works are conduct6ed by the Aktobe firm "IVRUS" LTD and Iranian "Dena Rakhsaz Kazakhstan" LTD.
Tender is announced for designing of construction of 102 km of the main road. The works on construction of the corridor are expected top be completed in 2010.
Memo on realization of this big project was signed during the V forum of the bordering regons of Kazakhstan and Russia, conducted on September 22.
Astana and Moscow anticipate that construction of transport corridor, which connects the Western Europe and Westren China, on the route Saint-Petersburg-Kazan-Orenburg-Almaty-China will have a great importance. The total length of the corridor to make up 8 thousand 445 km, the total cost - USD7,5 billion.
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Spain and Australia are a little bit different to the size of the area which ist covered by 1524 mm. It's the former USSR + Mongolia + Finland.
So why don't change the 1435 mm countries to 1524?
It's too expensive to convert such a large systems. Best for Kazakhstan is to create new 1435mm and have both.
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It's too expensive to convert such a large systems. Best for Kazakhstan is to create new 1435mm and have both.
Why should they? Most countries around Kazakhstan have broad gauge.
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1435 gives great economic possibilities because whole China is 1435 and Kazakhstan has access to Caspian sea.
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