Nebuniile... nebunului VII

[Cosmin]

Welcome to another installment of Nebuniile... nebunului.

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[Fallen]

[Cosmin]

This is why you're fat

[nebunul]

5.Sunt de acord cu ceea ce spui in privinta sanselor de unire, dar nu din motivele pe care le prezinti tu. Cu toate astea, Tarile Romane s-au unit abia acum 150 de ani, iar ardelenii au dorit unirea desi au fost cuprinsi in Imperiul Austro-Ungar sute de ani. Ceea ce lipseste acum de o parte si de alta a Prutului este o elita care sa constientizeze necesitatea unirii

cosstin ... este ... si lucreaza Integrarea Moldovei in Europa e chestiune de timp ... ONLY

[nebunul]

Mi se pare chiar OK tipa ...

[axj]

Imagine you are a Moldavian. On New's Year Night tun on the TV with your family around. You have to choose between: Romanian TV channels, local Moldavian TV channels and Russian TV channels. The local ones I suppose don't have much of a chance because of lower production budgets. That leaves out the Romanian and Russian ones. They have to choose between vulgar, gypsified TV programming (manele anthem, etc) and almost as vulgar, non-gypsyfied Russian programming that reminds them of the "good old days".

What do you think any sane person would choose? Most Romanians don't understand that that in order to win the hearts and minds of the Moldavians they will have not only to shout patriotic discourses once or twice a year (1 dec), but wage a "cultural thug of war" with everyday fights. Romania must win the cultural war with Russia. I can't see that happening anytime soon. The Romanian culture is not compelling enough even for the romanians themselves; see the gypsy issue in the south and the transylvanian decentralization political fights in the north.

[axj]

I don't know which Romanian city is going to be the wealthiest 20 years for now. But one thing is for sure, the advantage that Bucharest had is going to diminish as it did continuously over the last 20 years. It's actually amazing that the Transylvanian region: sparsely populated, 800km across, no highways, lots of rural population, can even put a fight with Bucharest: a rich urbanized area, with a lot of administrative support money inflow, small, densely populated. Will any city replace Bucharest as the most wealthiest? I have no idea but the competition is going to be far closer than in the past.

[tomis3]

Eu tot incerc sa va explic ca tiganizarea nu e intamplatoare. E foarte bine gandita si regizat.

[Le Clerk]

Originally Posted by axj

Imagine you are a Moldavian. On New's Year Night tun on the TV with your family around. You have to choose between: Romanian TV channels, local Moldavian TV channels and Russian TV channels. The local ones I suppose don't have much of a chance because of lower production budgets. That leaves out the Romanian and Russian ones. They have to choose between vulgar, gypsified TV programming (manele anthem, etc) and almost as vulgar, non-gypsyfied Russian programming that reminds them of the "good old days".

The attempts to ban the Romanian channels from Moldova strongly contradict you. And, please, you are gravely exagerrating and offending when saying that the Romanian channels are "gypsyfied". They are not in a percentage of 99%, even though there are some channels which broadcast manele. And a lot of shows are not as vulgar as you may think they are. Also, one has to bare in mind that the are 100+ central TV stations in Romania (both public and private), leaving aside the numerous local ones, so it is kinda hard not to find representation for the gypsies among those channels, as it ussually happens in most countries with certain sizeable minorities.

BTW: what's your nationality, if you do not mind me asking?

What do you think any sane person would choose? Most Romanians don't understand that that in order to win the hearts and minds of the Moldavians they will have not only to shout patriotic discourses once or twice a year (1 dec), but wage a "cultural thug of war" with everyday fights. Romania must win the cultural war with Russia. I can't see that happening anytime soon. The Romanian culture is not compelling enough even for the romanians themselves; see the gypsy issue in the south and the transylvanian decentralization political fights in the north.

Here you are right about the cultural war, but again you are wrong in the assumption that the Romanian culture is not compelling. The root of the culture is the language itself, which starts to take over any other cultural assumption.

Can you be more specific about the "gypsy issue in the south" and the "transilvanian decentralization fight", cause I fail to see them myself, as I am living in this country?

[Le Clerk]

Originally Posted by axj

I don't know which Romanian city is going to be the wealthiest 20 years for now. But one thing is for sure, the advantage that Bucharest had is going to diminish as it did continuously over the last 20 years. It's actually amazing that the Transylvanian region: sparsely populated, 800km across, no highways, lots of rural population, can even put a fight with Bucharest: a rich urbanized area, with a lot of administrative support money inflow, small, densely populated. Will any city replace Bucharest as the most wealthiest? I have no idea but the competition is going to be far closer than in the past.

There is no fight in between the Transilvanian region and Bucharest. Again, you are starting to become paranoid, and make us paranoid about your paranoia, as well.

[axj]

You mean that there is no competition? What is the point of this thread then? Ok, with data&stats.. but still..

[Le Clerk]

You said there's a fight, and I say there isn't actually. I just corrected you. And no, we are not talking competition in between cities here, sorry if that dissapoints you. I think that has been set from the begining by Cosmin.

[tomis3]

Cred ca v-am mai spus ca am un respect extraordinar pt politistii americani. Au o meserie foarte grea si foarte periculoasa.

3 Oakland cops killed, 1 critically injured; parolee slain in gunbattles

Three Oakland police officers were shot dead and one was gravely wounded Saturday in two separate shootings that began with a traffic stop of a parolee.

The gunman, Lovell Mixon, 27, of Oakland was fatally shot dead after police tracked him down to a nearby apartment.

"There's no such thing as a low-risk traffic stop," said a veteran firearms training instructor, one of dozens of law enforcement officers who gathered Saturday afternoon at Highland Hospital in Oakland. "There's only high-risk and/or the unknown."

The killings were among the deadliest shootings of police officers in California history. They deeply affected Oakland police officers, California Highway Patrol officers and Alameda County sheriff deputies. Many of them were also at Highland, hugging one another and wiping away tears of grief and shock.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_119700...e=most_emailed

[axj]

Originally Posted by Le Clerk

Can you be more specific about the "gypsy issue in the south" and the "transilvanian decentralization fight", cause I fail to see them myself, as I am living in this country?

I was talking about the cultural stereotypes which Romania must fight to have any chance against Russia in the culture war. It doesn't matter if the majority of the TV programming is not gypsyfied or that the Romanians are not a "gypsyfied" people. As long as this is their image and this image is backed by readily available facts and urban folklore, why would the Moldavians want to associate themselves with the Romanians? The Romanians just don't understand what it takes to win Moldavia. As long as they will refuse opening their eyes and keep blaming everything on what happened 80 years ago: dodgy voice: "The Evil Russians took you away from your Mother Country! You must come back or else!". The wars of the present must not be fought with the tools of the past. Romania needs more modern tools, more cultural appreciation/influence outside its borders, in Europe if not the world at least, before it can even dream about getting back Moldavia. The Romanias can't even get their culture exported to the Balkans (supposedly the "playground" of Romania), except for a few lone businessmen in Rousse. Russia's cultural weight is just too much for Romania to handle so far.

[Le Clerk]

Originally Posted by axj

I was talking about the cultural stereotypes which Romania must fight to have any chance against Russia in the culture war. It doesn't matter if the majority of the TV programming is not gypsyfied or that the Romanians are not a "gypsyfied" people. As long as this is their image and this image is backed by readily available facts and urban folklore, why would the Moldavians want to associate themselves with the Romanians?

There is no such image in Romania proper, so you are wrong again. I myself watch media a lot, especially news channels, but also other TV stations, and I find them a lot if not overwhelmingly on the pattern of the western media.

However, the image of a "gypsified people" is indeed manipulated by certain medias abroad, especially in Moldova, by the Russian media there, but it's steadily losing ground and control, as a result of people there becoming more aware of such manipulation.

The Romanians just don't understand what it takes to win Moldavia. As long as they will refuse opening their eyes and keep blaming everything on what happened 80 years ago: dodgy voice: "The Evil Russians took you away from your Mother Country! You must come back or else!". The wars of the present must not be fought with the tools of the past. Romania needs more modern tools, more cultural appreciation/influence outside its borders, in Europe if not the world at least, before it can even dream about getting back Moldavia.

The problem in Romania as far as Moldova is concerned is that a serious part of the political class are inheritors of the communist party (and refuse to see any interest in Moldova) or have sometimes interests related to Russia. This is the biggest problem I can see now, and it's more a political fight rather than a cultural fight.

As far as "getting back Moldova" is concerned, it's more like Moldova is coming back to us...it's their right and their need to come back to us....we are not forcing that upon them...and it's probably going to happen a lot sooner than many may think...the political balance there is getting critically on the part of the genuine pro-romanian parties and the people there started to understand where their interests lie.

The Romanias can't even get their culture exported to the Balkans (supposedly the "playground" of Romania), except for a few lone businessmen in Rousse. Russia's cultural weight is just too much for Romania to handle so far.

Romania doesn't want its culture "exported" to the Balkans. It's not like Romania has a "governmental" programme to do that. You are becoming paranoid again here. What would be the need for that?

However, there is music that goes in the Blakans, and not the type of music you would expect....rather very "westernized" music (and to Poland, as we learned recently). On the other hand, Romania does export a lot of culture to the west, which is really important.

Other than that, Romania and more specifically Bucharest is indeed the management hub for many businesses, especially international businesses accross the Balkans,and that's the only thing that matters to Romania.

Again, what's your nationality? I'd like to know so that we can be transparent one to the other. So please answer.

[Cosmin]

Originally Posted by tomis3

Cred ca v-am mai spus ca am un respect extraordinar pt politistii americani. Au o meserie foarte grea si foarte periculoasa.

RIP. So many officers dead for one lame-ass punk.

[axj]

I am a former Romanian. My Romanian writing skills are not very good.

[Du'Myth]

Originally Posted by laur2007laur

Ne pense toi pas si il serait l'argent il serait contruit peut-etre des skyscrapers ? je parle de municipalite et les investisseurs ( scuza-mi franceza )

De ce folosesti o limba pe care tu insusi consideri ca nu o stapanesti prin faptul ca-ti ceri scuze, cand cunosti romana (si engleza, pentru faptul ca este admisa ca strainii sa poata intelege). Daca ai fi fost in sectiunea frantuzeasca as fi inteles, dar aici? Ple-plu-plu-pla-pli?

Figuri...

[Cosmin]

What do you mean by "former Romanian"? Don't you still have Romanian citizenship?

[laur2007laur]

ca sa se simta si el mai ok folosind franceza , ce figuri ???
din ce nimicuri apar discutii .