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Old April 29th, 2009, 11:43 AM   #121
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More about No More Paper Ticket in Seoul Subway





According to this news clip, passengers can use both paper ticket and single journey ticket till the openning day of Metro 9, which is scheduled to open in the late of May. So it means that paper ticket will end its life on the late of May.
Why are they using the:
1. Tap card to enter faregates
2. Tap card to exit faregates
3. Return card to machine
kind of system that is also used in Singapore when they could have been using the
1. Tap token to enter faregates
2. Insert token to exit faregates
kind of system used in Delhi Metro and Taipei/Kaohsiung MRT?

I've used both types of systems in Taipei and Singapore and I know how cumbersome it is to return the card (during the few times I had to purchase a single trip ticket) to the machine after you have completed your journey and am about to leave the station.
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Old April 29th, 2009, 01:39 PM   #122
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Why are they using the:
1. Tap card to enter faregates
2. Tap card to exit faregates
3. Return card to machine
kind of system that is also used in Singapore when they could have been using the
1. Tap token to enter faregates
2. Insert token to exit faregates
kind of system used in Delhi Metro and Taipei/Kaohsiung MRT?

I've used both types of systems in Taipei and Singapore and I know how cumbersome it is to return the card (during the few times I had to purchase a single trip ticket) to the machine after you have completed your journey and am about to leave the station.
It's unconvenient, of course. I think the reason they don't use 'colleting card at faregates directly' is that there're so many stations in Seoul metropolitan metro and Incheon subway. For example Seoul Subway Line 1 ~ Line 8, which are operated by Seoul Metropolitan Rapid Transit Corporation and Seoul Metro, have about 266 stations and there're about 400 stations if you include Incheon subway and other metros, operated by Korail. If they install the system at every station and every gateways, the cost will be vast. (for reference, Daegu, Daejeon, Gwangju subway use token type system for single journey. Busan subway use paper ticket.) The fact that 90% of subway passengers use transportation card ( usually T-Money card in seoul) and only small portion of passengers use single journey ticket could be the another reason.
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Old April 29th, 2009, 02:49 PM   #123
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Why are they using the:
1. Tap card to enter faregates
2. Tap card to exit faregates
3. Return card to machine
kind of system that is also used in Singapore when they could have been using the
1. Tap token to enter faregates
2. Insert token to exit faregates
kind of system used in Delhi Metro and Taipei/Kaohsiung MRT?

I've used both types of systems in Taipei and Singapore and I know how cumbersome it is to return the card (during the few times I had to purchase a single trip ticket) to the machine after you have completed your journey and am about to leave the station.
Better yet, single journey tickets could be made on PET material RFID plastic that is disposable, ie what disposable myki cards will use.

www.myki.com.au
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Old April 29th, 2009, 04:10 PM   #124
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Better yet, single journey tickets could be made on PET material RFID plastic that is disposable, ie what disposable myki cards will use.

www.myki.com.au
Even better, why not use a "paper based" contactless ticket like that is used for the "Sentosa Pass" in Singapore. Its contactless on entry and exit but you don't have to return the card after exiting as going by how flimsy it looks it most certainly won't last beyond a day. That's one solution to the cumbersome issue.

Although I don't understand why they used such a paper based card for the theme park in Singapore but not for its metro system and why it's not being adopted elsewhere as an alternative to the contactless token system (which requires new/upgraded ticket machines and gates)

With regards to myki, are you sure you can dispose of those cards after exiting? Plastic RFID cards like that cost a lot to manufacture. For some systems, the authorities even impose a card cost charge for the purchase of a stored value multi trip card to recover such costs. I don't think they will allow single trip cards made of such a material to be disposed so easily.
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Old April 30th, 2009, 08:25 AM   #125
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Even better, why not use a "paper based" contactless ticket like that is used for the "Sentosa Pass" in Singapore. Its contactless on entry and exit but you don't have to return the card after exiting as going by how flimsy it looks it most certainly won't last beyond a day. That's one solution to the cumbersome issue.

Although I don't understand why they used such a paper based card for the theme park in Singapore but not for its metro system and why it's not being adopted elsewhere as an alternative to the contactless token system (which requires new/upgraded ticket machines and gates)

With regards to myki, are you sure you can dispose of those cards after exiting? Plastic RFID cards like that cost a lot to manufacture. For some systems, the authorities even impose a card cost charge for the purchase of a stored value multi trip card to recover such costs. I don't think they will allow single trip cards made of such a material to be disposed so easily.
Short term myki cards are made on thin paper circuits that are disposable. Current myki cards are all long term multiple use tickets.
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Old May 1st, 2009, 07:37 PM   #126
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Old May 1st, 2009, 08:15 PM   #127
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Bus-Only Lane in Seoul

Seoul have first-stage BRTs in 8 lines, which have bus-exclusive lanes,but not grade-sperated. According to Seoul City Government, the total length of BRTs now in Seoul are 73.5km as of March, 2009 and the length of BRTs will be extended to 169.8 km in 15 lines by 2010. source(korean)

Here are some pictures of how the bus-only lanes look like.

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Gong-Hang BRT, newly opened in April, 2009












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Cool clips! Is he telling some stories to the passangers?
Are there more parts of this?
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Cool clips! Is he telling some stories to the passangers?
Are there more parts of this?
Yes he is telling about some story.

The story in the second clip is " Do you know the quickest way to go to Pusan from Seoul? By KTX? No. By airplane? No. The answer is that you go there with someone you love."
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Awww! Fresh! The M9 should open soon right?
Have yu a map with the new line on?
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Awww! Fresh! The M9 should open soon right?
Have yu a map with the new line on?
Seoul Subway Line 9 will open soon.

Seoul Subway Route Map
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