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Old September 23rd, 2012, 10:52 AM   #841
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Clinge/De Klinge

I think this border crossing may be interesting for the readers of this thread (Michael of Penn's Wood?) So, for that reason I post it here instead in borders' thread.

I visited that Dutch-Belgian crossing some time ago, unfortunately could'nt find a set of pictures I captured there. However, thanks to Wikipedia we can have a look on the place:



As you can see there is a small town located on both sides of the border. Even though, people in this area speak the same variation of Dutch, the place is called differently in Belgium and the Netherlands. Presumably, it has something to do with the former rulers of the place and the etymology of Clinge, as it was ruled by Spaniards, probably has connections with Spanish. Am I right?
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 10:59 AM   #842
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Cannot answer. I cannot see the picture
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:18 PM   #843
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:27 PM   #844
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My guess - and it's just a guess - is that the difference in spellings is due to the Dutch-language spelling reform of 1946/47: I know Belgium applied the new rules to place names while the Netherlands didn't. My guess is that the spelling with C is older but that a K was thought to be more Dutch-looking so the Belgians changed it. No idea why one side has a "De" (which means "the") and the other doesn't.

"Clinge" doesn't look very Spanish to me anyway.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 08:03 PM   #845
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What it is thrue is that KL***** doesn't exist in Spanish and CL***** is often on words.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 10:18 PM   #846
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I looked at Wikipedia (in Dutch) articles on the two towns. They say the word "clinge/klinge" is of Germanic origin; I didn't see anything on how the difference in spelling arose.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 03:41 AM   #847
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Wikipedia says there's a polder named after the village of De Klinge (Clingerpolder), and Clinge, a hamlet, is named after the polder. Clinge then grew and stretched all the way to border De Klinge.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 04:54 AM   #848
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 10:56 PM   #849
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If there's no sign for Benetke in Slovenia, at least there's in Italy.


http://www.slomedia.it/dvojezicne-ta...-foto-galerija
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Old October 8th, 2012, 10:43 AM   #850
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I didn't know that Trieste was closer to Duino than Miramare castle.
Seriously, Trieste is about 20km from there, not 10 as signposted.

BTW, does 'grad' means both city and castle?
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Old October 8th, 2012, 10:50 AM   #851
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BTW, does 'grad' means both city and castle?
in Slovenian, yes
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Old October 8th, 2012, 01:12 PM   #852
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'grad' is arhaic slovenian for city, not used today. in arhaic slovenian there are quite some words closer to croatian language.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 01:18 PM   #853
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I didn't know that Trieste was closer to Duino than Miramare castle.
Seriously, Trieste is about 20km from there, not 10 as signposted.
I got 13,9km.

https://maps.google.si/maps?saddr=Lo...23.53,,0,11.06
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Old October 8th, 2012, 01:20 PM   #854
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Quote:
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So Miramare is far less than 12km.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 01:22 PM   #855
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hm, apparently you have to go back for Miramare. but yes, it isnt exact.

https://maps.google.si/maps?saddr=Lo...sz=15&t=m&z=15
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Old October 8th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #856
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hm, apparently you have to go back for Miramare. but yes, it isnt exact.

https://maps.google.si/maps?saddr=Lo...sz=15&t=m&z=15
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That's the official entry point to the castle and the park but you can turn right before in Grignano.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 06:42 PM   #857
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in Slovenian, yes
City is 'mesto'.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 07:00 PM   #858
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City is 'mesto'.
So Novo Mesto means 'new city' like Cittanova in Italian or Novigrad in Croatia?
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Old October 8th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #860
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