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Old December 8th, 2014, 08:28 PM   #1381
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Term 'autostrada' is comonly used in Lithuania to describe motorway, altough official word is 'automagistralė'. Remain from Soviet times when almost all constructions were done by then.
And we in Latvia also have both 'autostrāde' and 'automaģistrāle' for motorways, but since there aren't any motorways, we just use the word 'šoseja' for all main roads
In everyday speech people may also use 'autobānis' for an autobahn.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 09:46 PM   #1382
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We used autostrada/autostráda or Autodráha until 1938. The latter one sounds especially ridiculous, because the current translation is race track

1938 a proposal for a new word emerged. Here is the original letter:

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Since the work on the new superior road is to being prepared, it is necessary to find a proper Czech word for that notion.

Common used terms neither have Czech origin ("autostrada") nor are natural: they are forced artificial translations (autodráha from German Auto = auto, Bahn = dráha).
None of the frequently used terms furthermore covers the nature of the notion, because "Autostrada" will not be designated only for automobiles, but also for other vehicles as motorcycles, streetbikes and maybe in future for trolleybuses or other types of vehicles that are not yet known.
In contrary, the major purpose of the road is to provide long-distance connections for different type of vehicles and to connect distant regions. Hence I propose to adopt a new term, similar to silnice (road), železnice (railway) - dálnice (motorway). I request the Ministry of National Defence to compose a review whether the term is not against the linguistic rules.
And this is how the term dálnice was created. According to the contemporary grammar rules (silnice [cz] - silnica* [sk] - road [en], železnice [cz] - železnica [sk] - railway [en]), the term was translated to Slovak as diaľnica.

The term dálnice - diaľnica is literally a long-distance way

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* The term was abolished in 1960 in significant language rules amendment and replaced with "cesta", perhaps from Croatian language.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 09:53 PM   #1383
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"listopad"? You use the same set of names for the months that Polish does?

I have no idea what month "listopad" is, but I've always liked the sound of it.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 09:55 PM   #1384
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"listopad"? You use the same set of names for the months that Polish does?

I have no idea what month "listopad" is, but I've always liked the sound of it.
Me neither but I think it is September November. We use common month names (Január, Február, Marec...), Czechs use strange ones (Únor, Leden, Březen...). That's why we split up.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 09:57 PM   #1385
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Listopad means 'November' in Polish and Czech, but 'October' in Croatia. This is due to Croatia being farther south (Listopad means 'fall of leaves'). Just like U.S. Thanksgiving is a month later than in Canada.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 09:58 PM   #1386
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I just found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_calendar

What a mess!

And I was worried about being OT, but then I saw you here.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 10:31 PM   #1387
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but since there aren't any motorways, we just use the word 'šoseja' for all main roads
A similar word exists in many Slavic languages that also means 'road' - шосе/шоссе (approx. shoh-say).
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Listopad means 'November' in Polish and Czech, but 'October' in Croatia. This is due to Croatia being farther south (Listopad means 'fall of leaves'). Just like U.S. Thanksgiving is a month later than in Canada.
Um, the leaves fall earlier farther north...
At least north of the Equator.
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A similar word exists in many Slavic languages that also means 'road' - шосе/шоссе (approx. shoh-say).
From French "chaussée," I'd guess.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 10:39 PM   #1390
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This is so great. I could read and talk Slavic words I will never use in my lifetime forever and ever. More please... Don't stop!
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Old December 8th, 2014, 10:43 PM   #1391
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Your favorite country - well, half of it - is full of "Chaussée"s

(Chaussée de Louvain, chaussée de Gand, chaussée de Charleroi....)
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Old December 8th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #1393
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This is so great. I could read and talk Slavic words I will never use in my lifetime forever and ever. More please... Don't stop!
Apart from the OT but informative names of months and the history of dalnice:
Automaģistrāle and similar come from Latin
Autostrāde and similar come from Italian
Šoseja and similar come from French

Continuing on the OT - I really like the slavic month names. For what I understand: the pretty month, the grass month, the falling leave month, the snow month, etc
We also used to have those (the candle month, the leaf month, the frost month, the ghost month, etc) but we switched to the regular Jan, Feb, Mar, Mai, ...

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Old December 9th, 2014, 03:35 AM   #1394
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I hate Croatian months, I never remember them.


Btw, the old Slovenian expression for a motorway (avtocesta) is "avtomobilska cesta". Sounds archaic, but I still remember it was used until some 20 years ago.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 09:03 AM   #1395
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We don't have those Slavic names in Bulgarian, either. I don't think they ever existed and I certainly don't understand them.


NB Road_UK: The only reference to them are the nick names from folklore and stories about January and February - Golyam Sechko and Malak Sechko (big and small sechko respectively).
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Old December 9th, 2014, 03:08 PM   #1396
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Continuing on the OT - I really like the slavic month names. For what I understand: the pretty month, the grass month, the falling leave month, the snow month, etc
Then you'd appreciate the French revolutionary calendar. I'll look it up when I have a few minutes.

EDIT: Moving this to Roadside Rest
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Old December 9th, 2014, 05:49 PM   #1397
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I hate Croatian months, I never remember them.


Btw, the old Slovenian expression for a motorway (avtocesta) is "avtomobilska cesta". Sounds archaic, but I still remember it was used until some 20 years ago.
but they are cool i remember that as a kid i never knew which one was June, and which one July
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Old December 9th, 2014, 06:09 PM   #1398
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I still do not know and always have to pronounce them both to myself, one after another, just to hear them and then they put themselves in order automatically. A bit Freud-ish, isn't it
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Old December 9th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #1399
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Okay, so Off-Topic 2.0 isn't my fault....
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del, placed elswhere

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