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Old March 29th, 2009, 04:19 PM   #21
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Also, the US is basically a giant block. Europe is geographic different with more peninsulas such as Scandinavia, Italy, Iberia, the British isles etc, making it less suited for a grid network.
True. I think the current E30, old E8, is the only new numbering that has basically kept the old alignment.

A curoius note on the subject: I've read that British governments have been quite involved in E network plans and execution... but they don't number E roads themselves.
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The old alignment was very much focussed on particular routes, say London to Athens. The problem of that old focus is that leads to random choices: what justifies one route number from London to Athens and why is there no single number for London to Helsinki? The original numbering was nice to identify a couple of European axes that required upgrading in post-WW2 Europe, but could never serve as a numbering system. As much as Europe has its geographical difficulties, I think a grid is eventually the only way to go in Europe, also because I can't see clustering as a proper alternative.

The UK has signed the Geneva Convention (which created the current E-grid and obliges the parties to signpost the E-routes) and was therefore involved in the planning of the current network. It has never ratified the convention though, so it has no force in the UK. The original plan was that the UK would ratify once all E-routes in Britain would be at motorway-standard. They apparently did not like the idea of having E-routes on non-motorways. I'm not sure whether that idea is still on the cards in Britain, but in any event, there are still plenty of non-motorway sections on Britains E-routes. Some of these are substandard motorway, some are 2x2 and some routes (particularly in Scotland, Northern Ireland and where you get closer to ferry ports) are even less. Quite frankly, I can't see Britain's E-routes ever becoming at full motorway standard. The E05 between Oxford and Southampton doesn't need it, nor does the E15 North of Leeds or any of the E-routes in the North of England, Scotland or Northern Ireland for that matter. One would have to reshape the British E-grid and accept gaps close to ferry ports to get close
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Old March 29th, 2009, 10:23 PM   #23
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Republic Of Ireland

The Republic Of Ireland have indeed started using 'E' road numbering. Here's an example:

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Old March 29th, 2009, 10:46 PM   #25
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Old March 29th, 2009, 11:16 PM   #27
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Doesn't it adjust you the size of the pic? I only see a third of it.
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Will any E-routes be extended into Morocco if this thing gets built?
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Old March 30th, 2009, 03:17 PM   #29
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We have E-numbers on our signs in Estonia but they aren't used in traffic information. But then again, people don't use road numbers here at all so...
The same in Latvia.
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Is it possible a road with the same number (E-65) in another E.U. country, kiliometres away? I am talking about the new u/c Central Road in Greece (near Trikala) which is E-65 too
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That's the same route. E65 runs from Malmö, Sweden to Chaniá, Greece. It's 3.800 kilometers long.
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Old March 30th, 2009, 08:47 PM   #32
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Thanks for the info i didnt knew that
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Will any E-routes be extended into Morocco if this thing gets built?
Well, the E-system is based upon a rather odd definition of Europe. Apart from the folks that designed the E-route system, who else would consider the border between Kazakhstan and China as part of Europe? So you can never exclude an extension of the European road system into the continent commonly known as Africa. I hope we won't see another mistake like that though. If anything, UNECE should focus on improving the system rather than expanding a system that is far from perfect.
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Old March 31st, 2009, 02:28 PM   #34
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Quite onestly: What are they needed for? Ok, I see the point in signing main transit corridors, but basically, the only advantage is when going from Spain to Finland or so. Only lorries do so and nowadays, they all use satellite navigation which results in the fact that they don't have to care about road numbers at all.
So, basically, it doesn't really matter how the E roads are signed or whether they exist or not at all IMO as noone really needs them. It's ok putting them on signs when replacing old ones, but I don't see the neccesity in travel information or so.
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As you said they were intended to be for truck drivers, as otheres don't really know both the E-numbers and where a given road leads, but you must notice that this idea came up long before car navigation.

For me nowadays an E-road means that it's simply a very important one.
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Just important, not necessarily very. There are too many E-roads for that.
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And I can name you a few E-roads that are not important at all. The Dutch have had the habit of giving 3-digit numbers to many of their motorways that do not play a role in the European network at all. And in France, there are E-numbers for a couple of routes that are not a motorway and would therefore not be seen as important, for instance Pau- Huesca - Zaragoza (E07) and Nancy - Besançon - Lausanne (E23).
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PLH: I know that it was intended for truckers. But because really every lorry nowadays has satellite navigation the whole system is nowadays basically unneccessary and noone would care if it wouldn't be there.
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PLH: I know that it was intended for truckers. But because really every lorry nowadays has satellite navigation the whole system is nowadays basically unneccessary and noone would care if it wouldn't be there.
oh, i know few of them in my firm. they more refuse to use navigation and they prefer classis atlases and maps. and they don't use E roads intentionally one week ago i had to locate one driver and when i called him, he said that he was at E80. %#$+"$/*!ˇ~ what bloody E80?! when he said A54 (France), it was much better information to me.
btw, as he mentioned E80, i studied it a little bit and i have found out that it even passes through Croatia, i had no idea about it sooner. (i actually knew all E roads in Croatia except that one). i know only where E65 is, E70 and E71 are
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Well, I don't think we in Norway would manage without the E-numbering system now. The E's replaced original numbering, and now it's the only thing we have, and everybody knows the system. Then when you travel to Europe it's easier, because you already know the system, instead of dealing with a system where for instance "A1" can refer to roads in completely different places, just on the other side of one (more or less irrelevant) border.
There may be a need for some revision some places, though...

That's my opinion as a fellow European, eitherway
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