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Old April 4th, 2014, 10:01 PM   #381
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Why don't they renumber P80 into A6 or some other A-road? "P80" sounds unimportant. What do "A" and "P" stand for, btw?
I guess it's because currently the P80 starts in the middle of nowhere and ends in the middle of nowhere. In time (along with the construction of a second carriageway) the road will be extended to Augusta Deglava street roundabout in Rīga at one end and to A6 Pļaviņas ring road (which was already built as part of the new road decades ago) at the other end. Then it surely should receive an A category.

Then the new E22 will be extended from the end of the Pļaviņas ring road which you can plainly see in a map as a 90 degree turn in the middle of a forest.

Those are our road caregories: A, P and V roads. A being the main roads, P - regional roads and V - local roads. I just can't think of what exactly each letter stands for. V stands for Vietējie - that I know.
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Old April 4th, 2014, 10:11 PM   #382
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A stands for augstākās kategorijas autoceļi (highest priority roads), and V stands for vietējie (local roads). I can't remember the meaning of P, but it was answered somewhere here, a few years ago.
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Old April 5th, 2014, 12:37 AM   #383
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I can't remember the meaning of P, but it was answered somewhere here, a few years ago.
Pегиональная дорога?

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Old April 5th, 2014, 07:32 PM   #384
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I dont understand that, I have no knowledge of Russian language I know for sure that P roads are in no way connected to USSR's P roads.
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Old April 5th, 2014, 08:06 PM   #385
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I thought they had remained from Soviet times.
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Old April 5th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #386
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I dont understand that, I have no knowledge of Russian language I know for sure that P roads are in no way connected to USSR's P roads.
Yes because those are really R roads
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Old April 5th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #387
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By the same rule E09 has a weird routing too, since in Spain it has been always on regional roads (C-16 North of Manresa was previously known as C-1411). If it was on C-17 it would be OK because that road (now expressway) was N-152, a national road.
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Old April 5th, 2014, 11:45 PM   #388
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Ah, now I remember, P stands for pirmās šķiras autoceļi. (primary roads)
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Old April 5th, 2014, 11:52 PM   #389
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As I said - not a logical system.
Highest category roads, primary roads and local roads. It just doesn't make any sense. It should be "highest, medium, lowest category" or "primary, secondary, tertiary" or "national, regional, local" roads.
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Old April 6th, 2014, 12:17 PM   #390
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It does make more sense in Latvian. It's intresting that some P roads have alot higher AADT than some A roads.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 01:10 PM   #391
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Some illogical E-roads:

E45 between Bologna and Rome (Italy)
https://www.google.it/maps/dir/44.51...m0!1m0!1m0!3e0

E45 in Sicily
https://www.google.it/maps/dir/38.19...m0!1m0!1m0!3e0

E61 Villach (A) - Rijeka (HR)
https://www.google.it/maps/dir/46.61...m0!1m0!1m0!3e0
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E462, which (on this section) is a duplicate of E40 and E75.
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That's very common.
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How many countries in Europe sign with E-roads on their networks? Is it like 60% or less?
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In Europe, I think it is only the UK (and Andorra, Monaco, Vatican City, San Marino, Liechtenstein, Malta, Iceland and Cyprus that don't have the E-road network) that don't sign them at all. I don't know about Central Asian and Causasian countries.

Probably 60% of European countries that sign them, sign them poorly (Route Confirmation Signs and maybe major junctions' directional signage only).
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No, many countries sign them pretty well.
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Apart from the UK, E-numbers appear to signed pretty much everywhere, though to varying degrees (ranging from totally relying on E-numbers to just some confirmation signs here and there, unsuitable for navigating).
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In some countries like in Italy some outdated (replaced) E-numbers had not been changed. Probably E-routes aren't signposted in Central Asia as well. Strangely, Albania, that is on mainland Europe and it's not a microstate, hasn't any E-road.
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The E4 is still signposted for Kemi, Finland although it ends in Tornio.

It used to go to Helsinki. Maybe they forgot to remove the old sign.
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Apart from the UK, E-numbers appear to signed pretty much everywhere, though to varying degrees (ranging from totally relying on E-numbers to just some confirmation signs here and there, unsuitable for navigating).
Central Asia is crap, but otherwise the summary is correct. What you do see, however, is that the very vast majority of states in Western Europe signpost their national numbers just more prominently than they sign E-numbers. Sometimes the difference is big (e.g. Germany, where on motorways E-numbers are only signposted on confirmation signs, thus unsuitable for navigation), sometimes the difference is smaller (e.g. France, where E- and A-numbers usually sit together on motorways, but where references to motorways from other roads are always done by their national number, which unsurprisingly is used by motorists). Eventually, the core of the European transportation network is full of countries where E-routes are just not signposted prominently enough to be actually used by the motorists. This leaves the system as doomed to fail, signs that feature them as unnecessarily full.

Below is a quick overview that I prepared a few years back of the degree in which E-numbers are signposted throughout the parts of Europe that I know / were accessible via Streetview at the time. I appreciate that there is some room for discussion as far as some countries are concerned, but it gives something of an overview. Colour coding is as follows:
- Red: the country does not signpost E-numbers at all
- Green: E-numbers are signposted more prominently than the national numbers of the relevant routes (if there is a national number at all)
- Purple: country signposts both sets of numbers equally prominently
- Blue: while E-numbers are signposted somehow, they are signposted less prominently than national numbers.
- Italy: too complicated to summarise ...

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