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Old April 17th, 2014, 01:11 AM   #521
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On a trip to Montreal in the early 90s, I remember reading about the (Anglophone) mayor of Westmount who'd just come back from vacation in France and remarked "La France a besoin d'une Loi 101."
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The E-number roads like the E251 are rarely signposted in Germany.
The E251 runs between Sassnitz and Berlin, which is in Germany only, maybe no reason for
an E-number then ?


Usually E-numbers are not shown only A-numbers.
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Old July 4th, 2014, 03:10 PM   #523
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The E-number roads like the E251 are rarely signposted in Germany.
The E251 runs between Sassnitz and Berlin, which is in Germany only, maybe no reason for
an E-number then ?
There is no such a rule that an E-numbered road should cross the border. Three-digit roads typicall are located inside one country to provide access to other E-roads. There are tens of such roads.
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There is no such a rule that an E-numbered road should cross the border. Three-digit roads typicall are located inside one country to provide access to other E-roads. There are tens of such roads.
Yes but unlike some countries, Germany doesn't seem to really use the E numbering. At least not for anything which would be useful for a motorist (or anyone but bureaucrats).
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Yes but unlike some countries, Germany doesn't seem to really use the E numbering. At least not for anything which would be useful for a motorist (or anyone but bureaucrats).
Why should they? Like most countries they've got their own national numbers. Sweden uses them. So does Belgium, which doesn't make any sense at all. We've been through this on this thread, including a story from a Belgian who decided to drive to Amsterdam using E-numbers only, adding kilometres to his journey.
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There are 147 3-digit E-roads, and a lot of them don't cross international borders. Italy has 14 3-digit E-routes, none of them cross borders and several of them are less than 50 kilometers long.
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I think the question someone up-thread (I'm too lazy to go back and see who) is asking is what's the point of an E-number that doesn't cross an international border, since the road in question presumably has domestic numbers as well. There are instances in France of that...and in some cases - like the A11/E501 - the E route has a single domestic number.
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Why should they? Like most countries they've got their own national numbers. Sweden uses them. So does Belgium, which doesn't make any sense at all. We've been through this on this thread, including a story from a Belgian who decided to drive to Amsterdam using E-numbers only, adding kilometres to his journey.
In a previous post it was claimed that a certain E road exists only within the borders of Germany, and I pointed out that Germany doesn't really use them. So what is the raison d'être of E numbers anyway 1) for that particular road, 2) in Germany in general, 3) in general?
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I think the question someone up-thread (I'm too lazy to go back and see who) is asking is what's the point of an E-number that doesn't cross an international border, since the road in question presumably has domestic numbers as well. There are instances in France of that...and in some cases - like the A11/E501 - the E route has a single domestic number.
The 3-digit E-numbers are somewhat similar to 3-digit interstates as a concept.

In most countries, the E numbering is totally separate from the domestic numbering. The number may even be the same, like in Finland: The whole road 8 is E8, too.
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In a previous post it was claimed that a certain E road exists only within the borders of Germany, and I pointed out that Germany doesn't really use them. So what is the raison d'être of E numbers anyway 1) for that particular road, 2) in Germany in general, 3) in general?
There are people receiving salary from maintaining this obsolete system. That is why it still exists.
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What is the cost of the UNECE E-numbering system? I presume it's pretty low in Germany where they are generally only signposted on distance signs that don't need to be larger to accommodate the E-number.
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E-numbering looks like a bad attempt to imitate the US interstate system. Europe and USA are different in this aspect, as Europe isn't geographically compact as the contiguous 48 US states, but it's made up by many islands and peninsulae.
Moreover, US interstates are homogeneous considering construction standards, while E-roads can be anything from a 10-lanes motorway in the Netherlands to a 5-meters wide country road in Norway or Russia.
The USA planned to build a country-wide freeway network back in the 1950s, while in Europe each country has ever done its plans indipendently.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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What is the cost of the UNECE E-numbering system? I presume it's pretty low in Germany where they are generally only signposted on distance signs that don't need to be larger to accommodate the E-number.
Nobody can calculate it. Anyway, if the value is zero then any cost is higher than the value.
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E-numbering looks like a bad attempt to imitate the US interstate system. Europe and USA are different in this aspect, as Europe isn't geographically compact as the contiguous 48 US states, but it's made up by many islands and peninsulae.
Moreover, US interstates are homogeneous considering construction standards, while E-roads can be anything from a 10-lanes motorway in the Netherlands to a 5-meters wide country road in Norway or Russia.
The USA planned to build a country-wide freeway network back in the 1950s, while in Europe each country has ever done its plans indipendently.

Some of the E-roads are very small roads like only 5 meters wide. But some very big motorways in Europe dont have any E-number at all
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Yes but unlike some countries, Germany doesn't seem to really use the E numbering. At least not for anything which would be useful for a motorist (or anyone but bureaucrats).


One of few signs with an e-number along the A20, which is the E22.
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One of few signs with an e-number along the A20, which is the E22.
Yes, but this is close to useless to someone who actually wants to follow the E22; can't see that number in junctions.
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Are there any stand alone E highways? I couldn't find the answer sifting through the thread but I feel it has been asked before.
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Not that I know of, other than on a few islands.
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Are there any stand alone E highways? I couldn't find the answer sifting through the thread but I feel it has been asked before.
What do you mean by standalone? An e-road that does not connect to other e-roads or a road that only runs through one country.

The E251 (B96)Sassnitz-Berlin only goes through Germany. E 251 is a European B class road in Germany, connecting the cities Sassnitz – Stralsund – Neubrandenburg – Berlin
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There are no E-roads that do not connect to other E-routes, though a segment of E25 on the French island of Corsica is not connected to any other E-route.

There are no E-routes on Iceland, Malta or Cyprus.

At least one E-route is designated, but does not exist in reality (unbuilt as opposed to unsigned). That is E404 in Belgium. It is designated to run from Jabbeke to Zeebrugge, but there is no such road connection.

It is also possible that some ferry routes that carry E-routes do not exist in reality.
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