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Old April 12th, 2009, 12:01 PM   #61
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Old September 6th, 2010, 05:48 AM   #62
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Are recent changes to the Euroroute system documented on the web?

I found an official 2008 route log:
http://www.unece.org/trans/conventn/...S-SC1-384e.pdf

But have there been changes since then?

One possible change that I'm wondering about is the vanishing of E641 (Salzburg, Austria through Germany to Worgl, Austria) in my 2010 Europe atlases. The route is shown in the 2009 version of the same atlases, but it's gone in 2010. I don't know if it had been signed along the route nor if it's presently signed. How could I find out for sure (without driving there) if that route was removed from the system?
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Old September 6th, 2010, 06:47 AM   #63
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Do locals ever use the E number? I remember driving in Italy I hardly noticed the E number. Highways signs aren't as easy to follow in Europe as in the U.S. in my opinion.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 10:55 AM   #64
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I doubt if E-numbers are the highest priority of mapmakers... Locals barely use it, even long-distance traffic follows the national numbers, as E-routes are not always signed, especially not at on-ramps or from non-motorway routes.

What is likely to change is that E-routes that used to run on national roads, now follow new motorways. For example, E40 in western Poland is now likely to use the A4, instead of DK4.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 11:32 AM   #65
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Do locals ever use the E number? I remember driving in Italy I hardly noticed the E number. Highways signs aren't as easy to follow in Europe as in the U.S. in my opinion.
In Italy the only road better known with its E number is the "superstrada Terni-Ravenna", officialy named SS3bis. But everyone refers to it as "E45".
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Old September 6th, 2010, 01:33 PM   #66
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Albania still don't have any E-roads. When do the first E-roads come to Albania?
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Old September 6th, 2010, 05:38 PM   #67
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We have the E07 running through my hometown . But it's at the bypass.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 05:50 PM   #68
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We use the E-numbering for expressways in Malaysia and normal numbering without any alphabet for federal roads.
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In this case, the E-numbering refers to the European E-road network, not the Malaysian Expressway network The E-roads of Malaysia are the equivalent of A, M or D-roads in Europe
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Old September 6th, 2010, 06:12 PM   #70
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Yep. I believe Asian routes is Axx, like motorways in many European countries. I even have invented a fictional continental network for a fictional continent, with shields based on those of the US Interstate highways. So funny to see I-shields and German autobahn numbering, all on Catalan signage, in my fictional country!
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Old September 6th, 2010, 07:59 PM   #71
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In Sweden, E-roads are part of the national highway numbering system so everybody uses their names in daily usage. For instance, no national road can use the same number as an E-road. Rv45 became E45, and when the new E16 from Oslo to Gävle will be signposted sometime this or next year, Rv16 in Scania will disappear.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 09:09 PM   #72
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The UK doesn't use them. They're not that much use for navigating here really. I do think some routes on the continent are good though, such as the E15 through France & Spain. The scheme as a whole is a bit of a mess though.
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The problem is the E-route scheme is a grid, while the European motorway network mostly is not. Only Germany has a significant grid, but most others have radial systems.
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When I had to drive to somewhere in the Netherlands a month ago, I was very happy to learn that I only had to follow the same road number all the time: E19 all the way.

If it wasn't for the E-numbering, I'd have to follow these numbers: A1, border Belgium-Netherlands, A16, A20, A13, A4. The E-numbering made sense on a bigger scale. I admit I had a satnav system and as such didn't have to worry too much about reading the signs, but it was still reassuring seeing the "E19" signs on the route. I knew that, should my satnav fail on me, I could just follow those signs and get home without problems.

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Old September 6th, 2010, 09:56 PM   #75
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Albania still don't have any E-roads. When do the first E-roads come to Albania?
Albania joined the E-road cooperation since 2006.

E762 Tirana-Podgorica

E852 Ohrid-Tirana

E853 Ioannina – Albania

E86 Korçë-Florina

E851 Petrovac-Albania.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 09:58 PM   #76
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Look at this link.

http://www.unece.org/trans/conventn/MapAGR2007.pdf

That is very interesting. It looks like its e ferry route from Barcelona to Mazara del Vallo and from Norrköping to Ventspils. But that ferry routes has never exist. But maybe someone wanted them to exist?

How many ferry routes had a E-number painted at the ferry? Look at this old ferry from Stockholm to Turku from 1960s and 1970s. In that time it was E3, now it's E18. The ferrys at that route don't have any E-road signs anymore. Maybe they don't think they need it anymore?

But do you know other ferry rotes were the ferrys had the E-road sign?

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Old September 6th, 2010, 10:11 PM   #77
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The problem is the E-route scheme is a grid, while the European motorway network mostly is not. Only Germany has a significant grid, but most others have radial systems.
Indeed. It seems the UN (not the EU contrary to popular belief) thought that they'd just copy the US Interstate system, not taking into account either the difference in geography between the US, which is mostly a solid block, whereas Europe contains lots or islands & penninsulas, nor that the US Interstate system was more or less entire new build roads built almost entirely to freeway standards, whilst the 'E' system contains allsorts of different types of road.

Additionally, I'm not a fan of numbers which disappear into the sea and then reappear at the other side and some of them just don't make so much sense and aren't really that useful. Take the E20 which passes near where I live in Liverpool. It 'arrives' via the port from Ireland and then uses the M62, jumps into the north sea to Scandinavia, from where it has a little swim in the Baltic towards Estonia and then Russia. Now, how much traffic on the M62 leaving Liverpool seriously ends up following this route, even as far as Denmark & Sweden, let alone Estonia & Russia? It's an utterly pointless designation.

Obviously, some on the continent work better but the scheme really needs an overhaul, taking what works (such as the E15, E19 etc) and adding on that, taking into account the radial nature of many European road networks, whether we need so many of them and whether 'E' roads should be up to a certain standard. Most of all, such a system should be shaped on the reality of Europe's tranport corridors and what makes practical sense, rather than politics.

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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:51 AM   #78
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Gareth was straight to the point - even though he seems banned now! LOL.

Anyway, the thing is, interstates in the US basically were creating the new roads. E system naming certain route an "E" road - sometimes disregarding the existing national road system. I know that in Poland sometimes same E road changes national roads etc etc and it's never guaranteed to be a motorway (in fact, most of the time it's not a motorway) hence it seems somewhat pointless.

Regular people in Poland, at least those who I know, have no idea what an E designation is. Typical citizen from Lublin will know that you take the 17 (DK17) to Warsaw, but they will not know that it's E372...

edit: I saw that Ä is not an A after I posted but figured I'll just keep it for fun

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Old September 7th, 2010, 02:01 AM   #79
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Gareth was straight to the point - even though he seems banned now! LOL.
Yeah.

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Old September 7th, 2010, 04:45 PM   #80
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Do locals ever use the E number? I remember driving in Italy I hardly noticed the E number. Highways signs aren't as easy to follow in Europe as in the U.S. in my opinion.
Italians are notoriously bad at signposting road numbers. And when they do, it is (i) a very small sign and (ii) usually the number of a road that you will cross later on. Most other European countries make life a lot easier when it comes to following road numbers. It varies by country whether you will find the E-number only, the national number only or both on the directional signage. But you will always know which route number you have to follow, and that actually is done quite easily.

As a matter of fact, I would say that following route numbers in Europe is easier than in the US, as route numbers in Europe are normally integrated into the directional signage whereas route numbers in the US are often not integrated but posted on separate trailblazers.
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