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Old January 12th, 2007, 02:40 PM   #21
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The Talgo "duck" reminds me of a vehicle from a 1980s sci-fi programme
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Old January 12th, 2007, 02:46 PM   #22
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Of course, I've just realised that for existing Eurostar sets to be able to reach Cologne, the German line would have to be upgraded to 25kV 50Hz...
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Old January 12th, 2007, 04:16 PM   #23
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These are the new trains that the HSA(Dutch) and the NMBS(Belgian) will use on the HST4-line between Brussels and Amsterdam

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Old January 13th, 2007, 03:26 PM   #24
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It's going to be a very ugly train that probaby won't work properly at all. They bougth the wrong trains from the wrong manufacturer and they are going to regret the choise they made. Het zal gewoon bagger zijn.

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Does anbody know if they are also going to rebuilt the track between Aachen and Colonge?
No, because they've already upgraded the line between Cologne and Düren for a maximum speed of 250 km/h. The last part between Düren and Aachen is set to be upgraded for 200 km/h, so no new lines.

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Of course, I've just realised that for existing Eurostar sets to be able to reach Cologne, the German line would have to be upgraded to 25kV 50Hz...
It's cheaper to upgrade the Eurostar trains for 15kV 16 2/3Hz because the Germans are not going to change the current, because of major interoperability problems in their domestic services that also use the line in Germany.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 04:44 PM   #25
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It's going to be a very ugly train that probaby won't work properly at all. They bougth the wrong trains from the wrong manufacturer and they are going to regret the choise they made. Het zal gewoon bagger zijn.
Don't know what you find beautiful but I think they look awesome.

In my opinion "the ducktrains" look like cheap toys. I think the older Spanish HSL-trains are much nicer:





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Old January 13th, 2007, 04:49 PM   #26
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The AVE 102 (Talgo 350 "The Duck") is gorgeous.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 05:04 PM   #27
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These are the new trains that the HSA(Dutch) and the NMBS(Belgian) will use on the HST4-line between Brussels and Amsterdam

that design is wonderful!!
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Old January 13th, 2007, 09:30 PM   #28
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Don't know what you find beautiful but I think they look awesome.

In my opinion "the ducktrains" look like cheap toys. I think the older Spanish HSL-trains are much nicer:
It doesn't matter how they look on the picture, they will look like crap and perform like crap like all AnsaldoBreda highspeed trains. Even if they are designed by Pininfarina.

I've got something against these trains even before one of them is completed, maybe it's even the fact that not one of them is even completed yet. It's already too late, the line will be finished way before the trains are operational (if they ever will). Therefor I can not and will say anything good about these trains and the best thing is that I won't be proven wrong (or should I say the saddest thing).
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Old January 13th, 2007, 11:57 PM   #29
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In Spain there are different EMU's for High Speed Lines from different manufacturers and for different gauges (in Spain there are two types of gauges).

First generation: Class 100 (Class 101 as Euromed for Iberic-gauge lines on Mediterranean Corridor). From Alstom, it's a TGV-Atlantique development. Top speed: 300 kph (Class 101: 220 kph).

Class 100 in Santa Justa Railway Station, Seville


Class 101 in original livery


Class 101 unit with a new power-car head that replaces other one lost in a accident


Class 490 (Alaris), manufactured by Alstom and based on ETR-470 Cisalpino Italiano. It's used on Madrid-Valencia corridor, in Iberic-gauge. Tops speed: 220 kph.

Class 490


Class 102 (Talgo 350, "The Duck"). Bought for Madrid-Barcelona corridor (UIC gauge). Manufacturer: Talgo. Top speed: 330 kph.

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In new Renfe livery


Class 103 (ICE-3E, "Velaro"). Now, it's nicknamed as "The Dolphin". Manufactured by Siemens. Top speed: 350 kph. It's going to be used for Madrid-Barcelona non-stop services.

In Innotrans 2006 in Berlin, with new Renfe livery


Class 104. Manufactured by Alstom. Really, it's a four cars class 490 version for UIC gauge. It's used for regional services on HSL (Madrid-Ciudad Real-Puertollano, Sevilla-Córdoba, in the future Madrid-Segovia-Valladolid). Top speed: 250 kph.




There are also units that can run on UIC gauge tracks and in Iberic-gauge tracks.

Talgo 200. Trainset composed by Talgo VI cars. It runs on HSL (UIC gauge) from Madrid to Córdoba headed by a class 252 loco . From Córdoba to Málaga it runs on conventional track (Iberic-gauge) and with a class 269 loco. Top speed: 200 kph.

Talgo 200 on HSL headed by a class 252 loco


Altaria. Trainset composed by Talgo VII cars. It is headed by a class 252 loco on UIC gauge lines. Top speed: 220 kph. These trainsets can run on Iberian-gauge lines, headed by other locos, as class 269, class 333 or class 319.


Class 120. ("the Cuttlefish"). Manufactured by Caf. It can change track gauge non stopping before. Top speed: 250 kph (on UIC gauge lines), 220 kph (on Iberic-gauge lines). It's now used for Madrid-Barcelona services because HSL ends in Tarragona, therefore UIC tracks don't reach to Barcelona.

On Mediterranean Coast


Class 130 ("the Litt'e duck"). Really it's a Talgo VII cars composition with two motor-cars heads. This upgrading allows to change gauge non stopping before, and non changing the loco. Top speed: 250 kph (on UIC gauge lines), 220 kph (on Iberic-gauge lines).




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Old January 14th, 2007, 05:50 AM   #30
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Thanks for the correction, ZOLTi!!
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Old January 14th, 2007, 05:58 AM   #31
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I add the fastest diesel train on Earth, from Spain:

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Hace poco me dijo un jerifalte de Talgo que incluso se propuso a Renfe que parte del megacontrato de los S-130 incluyese automotores diésel basados en las BT. Y hablando de ellas (el menda tuvo la oportunidad de darse un paseíto en una de ellas a más de 200 km/h):








Y helo aquí en movimiento:

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Old January 14th, 2007, 02:40 PM   #32
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Nice trains

This is my top 5:

1) ICE 3





2) TGV Duplex





3) Eurostar





4) TGV





5) X2000 (Swedish), not that fast but a real beauty



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Old January 14th, 2007, 06:35 PM   #33
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Italian HSL trains:















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Old January 14th, 2007, 06:53 PM   #34
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Nice trains

This is my top 5:
Belgium has an excellent train system. I lived there for 10 months (in Brussels) and I could check it, trains everywhere and at every time (in fact I think they have the most dense train system in Europe) For high speed trains I just used Thalys (Bruxelles-midi / Brussel-zuid to Paris-Gare du Nord) and I loved it.
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Old January 14th, 2007, 11:12 PM   #35
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the height of platforms is to small in italy.
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Old January 15th, 2007, 11:30 AM   #36
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true.. they're upgrading 'em, but very slowly

However in Italian main stations (Roma Termini, Milano Centrale, Napoli Centrale,etc..) they increased the height at some platforms since many years, the platforms where usually HS trains stop (I wonder why didn't they upgrad all the platforms then )

Look at this pic taken in Milano Centrale in 2002
The platform on the left of the train is higher that the one at its right: that because they upgraded only the 'passenger platform': infact in Milano Centrale every way got two platforms, one used by passengers and one closed to public just for service

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Old January 15th, 2007, 06:55 PM   #37
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What I hate about a lot of Trains is that they can't decide on a common Height for the last Step of the Exit... You have to do either a very small or a very large Step, it's so stupid here!
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Old January 16th, 2007, 12:38 AM   #38
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haha! So true!
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Old January 16th, 2007, 12:34 PM   #39
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Trains aren't sentient, and have very little influence over the choice of platform height.
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Old January 16th, 2007, 01:18 PM   #40
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This is how the next TGV should look like (it's just a study though):

It realy looks like the Shinkansen S500...maybe too much.

For now it's this:


The East TGV's cruise speed is 320km/h (top speed: 515km/h, but it is going to break its own record in February, with a forecast of 560/570km/h).
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