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Old December 11th, 2012, 12:09 AM   #301
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According to a preliminary report done by Nanjing Metro, up until 2012 the average daily ridership is 1.07 million, total ridership so far this year is close to 400 million. The daily ridership record was set on Sept 29th when it hit 1.54 million, of which over 1 million was contributed by Line 1.

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Old February 25th, 2013, 09:15 AM   #302
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Nanjing City's 2013 goals regarding transportation infrastructure projects:

1. Finish Nanjing South Railway Station north square and underground connection hall, continue construction of south square.

2. Finish Nanjing Station north square project (dedicated to Nanjing-Shanghai ICL).

3. Finish Nanjing-Hangzhou PDL.

4. Accelerate construction of Nanjing-Anqing and Nanjing-Qidong Railway, as well as track improvement of Nanjing-Wuhu freight railway.

5. Continue construction of Metro Line 3, Line 10 Phase 1, Line 4 Phase 1.

6. Continue construction of Nanjing-Gaochun, Nanjing-Hexian, Nanjing-Tianchang Intercity (Commuter) Phase 1.

7. Start construction of Nanjing-Gaochun (Lishui) Intercity (Commuter) Phase 2.

8. Build Metro/Transit Bus connection stations along Metro Line 3 and Line 10. Add 1000 new buses and add 20km of dedicated bus lanes.

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Old February 25th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #303
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3. Finish Nanjing-Hangzhou PDL.
How many stations does that line have in Nanjing?

Liyang is in Changzhou, and Lishui is in Nanjing. Is Wawushan station in Nanjing or not?

What kind of infrastructure connects to the stations of Lishui, Jurong and Shangfang and is complete by the time of opening in June 2013?
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Full 2015 system map.

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Not very mind-boggling, actually... Nanjing needs much more lines.
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What is a PDL?
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Old March 8th, 2013, 03:38 PM   #307
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What is a PDL?
Passenger Dedicated Line China's version of the Shinkansen, a line built to be used only by High Speed Passenger trains
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Nanjing hasn't opened a new line or station since 2010. Why has its metro system expanded so slowly compared with Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, or even Chongqing?
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I'm guessing those cities are much more regional centers than Nanjing is, so there is more of an impetus to work on their mass transit system?
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Nanjing hasn't opened a new line or station since 2010. Why has its metro system expanded so slowly compared with Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, or even Chongqing?
Nanjing Metro is expanding quite quickly but most of the lines opening in 2015 for the Youth Olympics. Nanjing opted to the open everything at once. So by 2015 the system will suddenly triple in size.

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I'm guessing those cities are much more regional centers than Nanjing is, so there is more of an impetus to work on their mass transit system?
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Nanjing hasn't opened a new line or station since 2010. Why has its metro system expanded so slowly compared with Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, or even Chongqing?
The cities you named are all considered Tier 1 cities (well, Shenzhen is kind of one now), and Nanjing is a Tier 2 city so the level of investment are not on the same level. Having said that due to Youth Olympics Nanjing did get some project accelerated, by 2015 there will be over 300km of mass transit in operation, not exactly a small network.

Also Line 8 can start construction as early as 2015, contingent on the relocation of Nanjing-Wuhu Railway. Line 5 will start construction in 2016 after the relocation of PLAAF Dajiaochang. These two lines plus the East Extension of Line 10 will fill the void in southern Nanjing.
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The cities you named are all considered Tier 1 cities (well, Shenzhen is kind of one now), and Nanjing is a Tier 2 city so the level of investment are not on the same level. Having said that due to Youth Olympics Nanjing did get some project accelerated, by 2015 there will be over 300km of mass transit in operation, not exactly a small network.
Which lines are now on schedule to open for service by July 2014? The Olympics shall start on 16th of August.
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Also Line 8 can start construction as early as 2015, contingent on the relocation of Nanjing-Wuhu Railway.
What is to be done with the Nanjing-Wuhu railway?
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What is to be done with the Nanjing-Wuhu railway?
I too am curious.
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The cities you named are all considered Tier 1 cities (well, Shenzhen is kind of one now), and Nanjing is a Tier 2 city so the level of investment are not on the same level.
I think it also has to due with city's sizes, China currently has 4 megacities and all those are tier 1 cities which are Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen.

Nanjing with a population of 7-8 million isn't a megacity. Inland cities such as Chengdu, Chongqing and Wuhan are projected to become megacities in the future so infrastructure investment are more motivated there than in Nanjing which grows slower than those afformentioned cities.
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Which lines are now on schedule to open for service by July 2014? The Olympics shall start on 16th of August.
Metro Line 3 and Line 10 should be in operation before the Youth Olympics, so is S1 Nanjing-Gaochun Intercity Rail. S8 Nanjing-Tianchang Intercity Rail is set to open before the game but realistically it probably won't start commercial operation until the end of next year.
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What is to be done with the Nanjing-Wuhu railway?
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I too am curious.
As we know, the current Nanjing-Wuhu Railway cuts through the south part of downtown Nanjing from Cangbomen, the 16.7km line is a huge hassle for the surrounding neighborhoods due to noise and frequent closure of the crossings. Starting in 2010 a plan has been put in motion to move this section of the railway out of the city so it's outside the ring road. A new dedicated freight pass through corridor is being constructed under the HSR Nanjing South right now, construction of the connecting line from Cangbomen to HSR Nanjing South will start in 2014 after the Nanjing-Anqing PDL is finished, and the current Nanjing-Wuhu passenger traffic shifted to that line. The current right of way of Nanjing-Wuhu will be used as the basis of Metro Line 8, which will have a combination of ground level and elevated tracks.

Current Nanjing-Wuhu Railway through Nanjing streets






The black line on top is the old line, the straight doted line right above Nanjing South is the new line.


Here is a diagram of how the old line will be utilized as part of Metro Line 8

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I think it also has to due with city's sizes, China currently has 4 megacities and all those are tier 1 cities which are Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen.

Nanjing with a population of 7-8 million isn't a megacity. Inland cities such as Chengdu, Chongqing and Wuhan are projected to become megacities in the future so infrastructure investment are more motivated there than in Nanjing which grows slower than those afformentioned cities.
Absolutely, those cities are so much larger than Nanjing and justifiably need more rail transit mileage. Nanjing is kind of an odd ball for a major economic center, the rather good GDP growth (over 19% in 2012) didn't result in explosive growth of population, only about 2 million people were added since 1990. But the population's quality is the highest in the nation, as over 26% of people have post secondary education, and the number of college student per 10,000 people is also the highest in the nation. The city's major economic contributor tend to be high tech IT companies and high value added state owned entities, such as energy companies, major defense contractors, and transportation equipment makers. The city also ditched the multiple ring road approach of Beijing, Shanghai, and Chengdu, instead it's set to develop suburban city centers, like miniature satellite cities.

All the above factors resulted in a very compact core city area with a highly productive (higher per capita GDP than Beijing or Shanghai), stable population. Due to the relative small size of the city and the fact this population has lived inside for a long time, in many cases close to their work. We probably will not see a large scale metro network inside the core city. On the other hand three major satellite city centers are being formed to provide both living and working spaces, those will be the only point of growth for Nanjing in the near future. Because of the importance of those satellite city centers the government has mandated that each to be connected by two rail transit lines, one expressway, and one major city road. The satellite city centers are to the northeast (Xianlin), southeast (Dongshan), and across the Yangtze (Jiangbei). If you look at the network map I posted a couple days ago you'll see the rail transit line requirements are being met.
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2014 after the Nanjing-Anqing PDL is finished, and the current Nanjing-Wuhu passenger traffic shifted to that line.
The current Nanjing-Wuhu passenger traffic consists of 18 trains daily:
K45 Beijing-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Huangshan-Fuzhou 1:54
K8419 Shanghai-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Huangshan 2:06
K905 Taiyuan-Xuzhou-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Hangzhou 2:21
7101 Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Huangshan 2:22
2593 Zhengzhou-Xuzhou-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Hangzhou 2:09
T7777 Nanjing-Wuhu-Tongling-Chizhou 1:39
K101 Beijing-Xuzhou-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Hangzhou-Wenzhou 2:19
K431 Yangzhou-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Huangshan-Nanchang 2:12
K25 Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Huangshan-Xiangtan-Shenzhen 1:56
K155 Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Huangshan-Xiangtan-Kunming 2:22
K783 Shanghai-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuanchang-Huangshan-Yingtan 2:26
K221 Taizhou-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Huangshan-Zhuzhou-Guangzhou 1:41
K569 Nantong-Nanjing-Wuhu-Hefei-Xiangyang-Chongqing 1:42
K551 Harbin-Xuzhou-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Hangzhou-Wenzhou 2:10
K505 Nanjing-Wuhu-Tongling-Chizhou-Nanchang 2:16
K347 Shenyang-Xuzhou-Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Hangzhou-Wenzhou 3:12
K1191 Nanjing-Wuhu-Tongling-Nanchang-Zhuzhou-Guilin-Nanning 2:06
K161 Nanjing-Wuhu-Xuancheng-Huangshan-Xiamen 1:53

So... shall the CRH trains on Nanjing-Anqing high speed railway be slowed down behind the slow diesel locomotive hauled trains needed for long distance direct services?

What shall be the trip time Nanjing-Maanshan on the high speed railway (78 km on old line) if and when not delayed by the said locomotives?

Is Maanshan being developed as a suburban centre of Nanjing?

Are any other suburban centres due to be built in Anhui on railway lines between Nanjing and Maanshan?
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So... shall the CRH trains on Nanjing-Anqing high speed railway be slowed down behind the slow diesel locomotive hauled trains needed for long distance direct services?

What shall be the trip time Nanjing-Maanshan on the high speed railway (78 km on old line) if and when not delayed by the said locomotives?

Is Maanshan being developed as a suburban centre of Nanjing?

Are any other suburban centres due to be built in Anhui on railway lines between Nanjing and Maanshan?
The new Nanjing-Anqing PDL will be fully electrified so conventional passenger trains running on it will be hauled by a 140-160km/h capable HXD. I would say the number of conventional trains will be greatly reduced to longer distance through trains. Ma'anshan's mayor was quoted as saying the quickest train to Nanjing will only take 15 minutes, tracing the new line on Google Earth shows a total distance of 41.8km so that time sounds about right. Interesting question about whether Ma'anshan will become a suburban of Nanjing, I think it already is in some sense. On the new line it will only take 7 or 8 minutes to reach Jiangning South in Nanjing's Jiangning District. Also Nanjing's Lukou airport it closer to Ma'anshan than to Nanjing city itself. As of the 2010 long term city plan only three sub centers are being established and none of them are in the direction of that line, partially because Ma'anshan is already very close to Nanjing, and Jiangning District is too close to downtown to be considered a subcenter.
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Ma'anshan's mayor was quoted as saying the quickest train to Nanjing will only take 15 minutes, tracing the new line on Google Earth shows a total distance of 41.8km so that time sounds about right. Interesting question about whether Ma'anshan will become a suburban of Nanjing, I think it already is in some sense. On the new line it will only take 7 or 8 minutes to reach Jiangning South in Nanjing's Jiangning District.
On Shanghai-Nanjing railway, Kunshan South is 50 km from Hongqiao, and the fastest trains take 17 minutes - but they travel at 300 km/h. 2 stations exist in between - Anting North and Huaqiao

There is only Jiangning Station between Nanjing and Maanshan on Nanjing-Anqing railway. Should a railway be built between Nanjing and Maanshan that would have multiple stations and serve them rapidly?

Should metro line 8 be this line? Where is its terminus?
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