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Old March 11th, 2013, 07:32 PM   #321
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On Shanghai-Nanjing railway, Kunshan South is 50 km from Hongqiao, and the fastest trains take 17 minutes - but they travel at 300 km/h. 2 stations exist in between - Anting North and Huaqiao

There is only Jiangning Station between Nanjing and Maanshan on Nanjing-Anqing railway. Should a railway be built between Nanjing and Maanshan that would have multiple stations and serve them rapidly?

Should metro line 8 be this line? Where is its terminus?
The Nanjing-Anqing PDL will be the primary rail link between Nanjing and Ma'anshan. The 15 minute time is probably a direct train from Nanjing South to Ma'anshan East. There are not much in between anyway, Jiangning South is probably as far as a traveler from Nanjing will go without leaving the city boundary. Metro Line 8 serve the majority part of Jiangning District, but doesn't extend as far south as Jiangning South.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #322
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As we know, the current Nanjing-Wuhu Railway cuts through the south part of downtown Nanjing from Cangbomen, the 16.7km line is a huge hassle for the surrounding neighborhoods due to noise and frequent closure of the crossings. Starting in 2010 a plan has been put in motion to move this section of the railway out of the city so it's outside the ring road. A new dedicated freight pass through corridor is being constructed under the HSR Nanjing South right now, construction of the connecting line from Cangbomen to HSR Nanjing South will start in 2014 after the Nanjing-Anqing PDL is finished, and the current Nanjing-Wuhu passenger traffic shifted to that line. The current right of way of Nanjing-Wuhu will be used as the basis of Metro Line 8, which will have a combination of ground level and elevated tracks.

Current Nanjing-Wuhu Railway through Nanjing streets






The black line on top is the old line, the straight doted line right above Nanjing South is the new line.


Here is a diagram of how the old line will be utilized as part of Metro Line 8

This is probably off topic to Nanjing Metro....I have a weird fascination with CRH trains running on conventional lines. Do CRH trains run on this street level railway?
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Old March 14th, 2013, 10:18 AM   #323
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This is probably off topic to Nanjing Metro....I have a weird fascination with CRH trains running on conventional lines. Do CRH trains run on this street level railway?
No this line is not electrified, CRH trains do run on the old Shanghai-Nanjing line and I believe there are a number of at grade crossings.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 11:15 AM   #324
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I think it also has to due with city's sizes, China currently has 4 megacities and all those are tier 1 cities which are Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen.
Guangzhou, a mega city? Sure, it has got a neat GDP but the city itself, is it really so big? Then, Shenzhen is not a big city at all. Nanjing is much larger.

I guess on the list should be included Tianjin and Chongqing. And maybe Wuxi.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #325
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Guangzhou, a mega city? Sure, it has got a neat GDP but the city itself, is it really so big? Then, Shenzhen is not a big city at all. Nanjing is much larger.

I guess on the list should be included Tianjin and Chongqing. And maybe Wuxi.
What urban Nanjing bigger than Shenzhen and Guangzhou?
Guangzhou and Shenzhen are Tier I megacities with populations of over 10 mil in most ways of cutting up the metropolitan region. They are bigger and more important than urban Chongqing and Wuxi.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #326
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Guangzhou + Dongguan + Shenzhen is basically one continuous city and it's HUGE.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 07:22 PM   #327
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Guangzhou + Dongguan + Shenzhen is basically one continuous city and it's HUGE.
They are not ONE continuous city, although they are somewhat connected by sprawl but they function as different cities. Guangzhou and Shenzhen are over 100 km from each other.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 07:31 PM   #328
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Guangzhou, a mega city? Sure, it has got a neat GDP but the city itself, is it really so big? Then, Shenzhen is not a big city at all. Nanjing is much larger.

I guess on the list should be included Tianjin and Chongqing. And maybe Wuxi.

Yes, Guangzhou is no question a flully fledged mega city and you wont notice that it is smaller than Shanghai when walking around in the city.

Shenzhen is also a megacity but a little bit smaller than Guangzhou, Shanghai, and Beijing but still much larger than Nanjing, just look in the map, Nanjing is just a small dense area compared to Shenzhen which have multiple centers and sprawls endlessly.

Wuxi shouldn't even be mentioned in this context with a population of 3-4 million.
Chongqing currently has a population of around 7-8 million so it still has a way to go until it can be considered a megacity which is a city with a metropopulation of more than 10 million people. However I think that by 10 years it will become one together with Chengdu. Wuhan, and Tianjin.
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No this line is not electrified, CRH trains do run on the old Shanghai-Nanjing line and I believe there are a number of at grade crossings.
Thanks, I didn't catch that in the picture. No overhead wires. I can't wait to go back to China and ride some of these lines.


Speaking about the mega city discussion, when I visited Guangzhou in 2010 man, it felt like the biggest city I've ever seen. Buildings to the horizon and a very beautiful city. Lots of trees and I felt very safe.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #330
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Yes, Guangzhou is no question a flully fledged mega city and you wont notice that it is smaller than Shanghai when walking around in the city.

Shenzhen is also a megacity but a little bit smaller than Guangzhou
As of 2010 Census:
Almost the whole Shenzhen is densely settled. Except for Dapeng new district, density 612 per square km. The next least dense district is Pingshan, 1852 per square km.

There are no peasants in Shenzhen. Excluding Dapeng and including all other districts, Shenzhen city covers 1695 square km and had 10,2 million people.

Yes, Guangzhou has 12,7 million people. But much of that is peasants in countryside. County level cities Conghua and Zengcheng have population densities of 301 and 641 per square km respectively. And the districts include Nansha (493), Luogang (950) and Huadu (974).

Counting just the districts of Yuexiu, Liwan, Haizhu, Tianhe, Baiyun, Huangpu and Panyu, of which the least densely settled is Panyu (2245 per square km), Guangzhou city covers 1952 square km - and has 9,5 million people.

So Shenzhen is bigger than Guangzhou.

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Old March 14th, 2013, 10:25 PM   #331
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As of 2010 Census:
Almost the whole Shenzhen is densely settled. Except for Dapeng new district, density 612 per square km. The next least dense district is Pingshan, 1852 per square km.

There are no peasants in Shenzhen. Excluding Dapeng and including all other districts, Shenzhen city covers 1695 square km and had 10,2 million people.

Yes, Guangzhou has 12,7 million people. But much of that is peasants in countryside. County level cities Conghua and Zengcheng have population densities of 301 and 641 per square km respectively. And the districts include Nansha (493), Luogang (950) and Huadu (974).

Counting just the districts of Yuexiu, Liwan, Haizhu, Tianhe, Baiyun, Huangpu and Panyu, of which the least densely settled is Panyu (2245 per square km), Guangzhou city covers 1952 square km - and has 9,5 million people.

So Shenzhen is bigger than Guangzhou.

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Don't just look at administrative divisions since those doesn't usually reflect on how the cities really is built up.
Large areas of Foshan just west of the city border works as suburbs to Guangzhou and are continuously built up. If you look at the map you will notice the the western city border is quite near the city center while the eastern and northern border is far out in the countryside. So I would add some areas of Foshan to Guangzhou and my prediction is that Guangzhou has a population of between 12-14 billion.
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my prediction is that Guangzhou has a population of between 12-14 billion.


Hehe this one is so much fun I almost want to agree with it
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regardless, Nanjing is smaller than Shenzhen and Guangzhou in terms of population and importance.
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Hehe this one is so much fun I almost want to agree with it
What's so funny...?
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What's so funny...?
Before I answer, read it again... or 3 times
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What's so funny...?
12-14 billion
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Hehe this one is so much fun I almost want to agree with it
haha....Guangzhou it's is own planet!

12-14 billion.
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Before I answer, read it again... or 3 times
I see...my bad..
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Unfortunately I cannot find the distribution of population density between the towns and subdistricts of Dongguan in English Wikipedia.

How much of the 8,22 million population of Dongguan is contiguous with Shenzhen across one border, and how much with Guangzhou across the other border?
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I've always been a bit confused how exactly Chinese count the inhabitants of their big cities. Numbers one can find on internet are widely different. Very difficult to compare with large cities elsewhere...
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