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Old March 16th, 2013, 08:08 PM   #341
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It depends on the administrative division. It varies from size to size and some can be really big like Chongqing's which has an area larger than Taiwan and that's why you get that 28 million population. But that's in the WHOLE municipality. The metropolitan city itself is just about 7-8 million. So you must analize from the data that is available, you can't just use the data for administrative division because that will also include far flung towns and villages that is not connected with the main city.
If you want any figures of city sizes just ask my cause I have analyzed every big city in China by also looking at satellite images and evaluating the possible population of that city.
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Old March 17th, 2013, 02:24 AM   #342
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I've always been a bit confused how exactly Chinese count the inhabitants of their big cities. Numbers one can find on internet are widely different.
They're changing rapidly I guess.
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Old March 18th, 2013, 06:59 AM   #343
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I've always been a bit confused how exactly Chinese count the inhabitants of their big cities. Numbers one can find on internet are widely different. Very difficult to compare with large cities elsewhere...
It is indeed confusing, a city in China has administrative control over some countryside areas surrounding the city, so due to the residential permit system the city's total population comprises of two parts: urban permanent resident, countryside permanent resident. Each part is comprised of migrating resident and local resident (people with local resident permit). The most common practice is to only quote the urban permanent resident, that is people with who lives in a certain city for at least six months, regardless whether they have local urban resident permits. But in some incidents the population is quote as both urban and countryside permanent resident, a good example would be Chonqqing with its 30 million figure.

Nanjing always cites its urban permanent resident as the official city population figure, which stands at around 8.16 million right now. The city statistics bureau also calculate the composition of the population, of the 8.16 million inhabitants 6.36 million are local resident, 1.78 million are migrating resident. There is a shocking slowing trend of growth in local residents in Nanjing, which only had a net gain of 4,000 people in 2012. This is due to the high real estate price and the relatively high level of skill requirement of the local industries. Many people opted to live in smaller cities such as Zhengjiang and commute to Nanjing via HSR.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 03:00 PM   #344
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It is indeed confusing, a city in China has administrative control over some countryside areas surrounding the city, so due to the residential permit system the city's total population comprises of two parts: urban permanent resident, countryside permanent resident.
But those countryside areas also contain small towns separate from central city, which are nevertheless too big and dense to be villages.
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The most common practice is to only quote the urban permanent resident, that is people with who lives in a certain city for at least six months, regardless whether they have local urban resident permits. But in some incidents the population is quote as both urban and countryside permanent resident, a good example would be Chonqqing with its 30 million figure.

Nanjing always cites its urban permanent resident as the official city population figure, which stands at around 8.16 million right now.
But this is equal to the total population of Nanjing.

It is true that Nanjing consists of districts alone, and contains no counties. But the districts of Gaochun and Lishui are fairly sparsely settled as well as remote. Do any peasants live there?
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This is due to the high real estate price and the relatively high level of skill requirement of the local industries. Many people opted to live in smaller cities such as Zhengjiang and commute to Nanjing via HSR.
What are the real estate prices like in Gaochun and Lishui districts?
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 02:35 PM   #345
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Any of you know how many cities in China now have a population above one million (urban only, both resident and migrant)? How many above 5 million?
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Any of you know how many cities in China now have a population above one million (urban only, both resident and migrant)? How many above 5 million?
I don´t. Very hard to work out the definition of cities, case by case, and find the necessary source data.

Nanjing:
Xuanwu - 8052 per square km
Qinhua - 20 014 per square km
Jianye - 5207 per square km
Gulou - 22062 per square km
Yuhuatai - 2967 per square km
Qixia - 1896 per square km
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Jiangning - 728 per square km
Pukou - 778 per square km
Luhe - 617 per square km
Lishui - 429 per square km
Gaochun - 522 per square km

Now, including the whole Qixia, but excluding the whole Pukou, I get
that the 6 districts of Nanjing city had as of 2010 Census population of 4,39 millions
and Nanjing is therefore not among the cities with population of 5 millions.

The only district of the 6 that reaches Nanjing borders is Qixia. But Qixia is relatively sparsely settled for city anyway, and the people might be living in the central end. Across the borders of Qixia is Zhenjiang. But it is specifically the city of Jurong, whose density is 443 per square km. I therefore regard Jurong as countryside, and do not feel any people of Zhenjiang should be included in population of Nanjing.

While the 3 districts and 3 cities of Zhenjiang have 3,11 million people combined, Dantu district and Danyang City are sparsely settled countryside. Zhenjiang city consists only of subdistricts of Jingkou and Runzhou, with combined population of 898 000, so not even one million. Yangzhong City, population 335 000, is densely settled, but separated from central Zhenjiang by the sparsely settled Dantu district, so should not be included either.
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 03:31 PM   #347
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Do Chinese cities have administrative borders for just an urban centre? That would make easier to count the inhabitants of the urban core.

For example, saying how many people live in greater Paris is also not so easy but counting people within Paris borders (ca 2.2 million) is as close as it gets to an exact science in demographics. French national office of statistics defines an urban area as a continuously built up area with a population density of 2,000 inhabitants per square kilometre or more and an average distance between buildings of less than 200 m. By such a measure Paris has about 10,4 million inhabitants. Perhaps we could adopt a similar system for Chinese cities?
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French national office of statistics defines an urban area as a continuously built up area with a population density of 2,000 inhabitants per square kilometre or more and an average distance between buildings of less than 200 m. By such a measure Paris has about 10,4 million inhabitants. Perhaps we could adopt a similar system for Chinese cities?
This excludes Qixia district from Nanjing and leaves Nanjing with population of 3,75 millions.

Changzhou then consists of 3 districts of Zhonglou, Tianning and Qishuyan, excluding Xinbei and Wujin. This leaves Changzhou with 1,125 million people.
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I bet those would be more honest numbers than the ones often thrown around in the media now. Particularly the ridiculous 30 millions in Chongqing....
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Old April 17th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #350
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As you may be aware Nanjing just went through a dramatic administrative region shift. Baixia and Qinhuai districts have been merged to form the new Qinhuai district. Xiaguan district has been merged into Gulou district. Lishui and Gaochun counties have been upgraded into districts. This is said to better represent the current trend of expanding urban areas and help facilitate the further urbanization of the two new districts. Now Nanjing city will no longer have any counties under its jurisdiction so the who municipal administration region will only cover "urban" areas, no more countryside. I think in other Chinese cities the districts are considered "urban," while the counties under the city are considered "rural." This is interesting because normally the suburban commuter rails lines are named after the towns or counties it connects, since Lishui and Gaochun are now districts of the city, I wonder if the two lines will be renamed.
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Total power grab by the local municipal-real estate cabal, usually having a monopoly over these types of corruption.

Reminds me when the Russian capital grew an **** tumor

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Total power grab by the local municipal-real estate cabal, usually having a monopoly over these types of corruption.

Reminds me when the Russian capital grew an **** tumor
Well the city didn't grow at all because the counties are already under the city's jurisdiction, only the administrative level has been changed so the city doesn't have to distinguish urban and rural areas anymore.
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Old April 20th, 2013, 11:05 AM   #353
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The point is that "previous" Moscow before expansion was almost all built up. All the 1081 sq km. I guess we can't apply the same criteria for Chinese cities. Nor can we apply criterial of built up area for Paris to Chinese cities, either. In China even within built-up areas there can be loads of vast empty lands.
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Old May 6th, 2013, 09:37 PM   #354
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First train of Metro Line 10 delivered.

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Old May 6th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #355
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Nanjing-Tianchang Intercity Rail (S8) phase 1 starts track laying. Target is to get all tracks laid by Jan 31st, 2014.

宁天城际一期工程正式进入铺轨阶段
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轨道3标正线铺轨起点为方州广场敞开段,终点为金牛湖站。正线双线全长15.276km,均为高架线,沿线有沈桥站、八百桥站、金牛湖站3座车站。除正线铺轨工程外,另有10组9号单开道岔和12组伸缩调节器。面对异常紧张的工期要求,高峰时,轨道3标将要在全线同时展开6个工作面,以日进360米的速度向今年10月31日的竣工时间快速挺进,同时设置10月6日短轨通及10月27日长轨通两个关键节点,力争实现2014年1月31日全线轨通的目标。
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... Target is to get all tracks laid by Jan 31st, 2013.
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Too late, 13.jan.2013 has passed.
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Probably a misstype, the news say the target is 31st January 2014, despite being Chinese to me. Literally.
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Too late, 13.jan.2013 has passed.
Corrected.

Jan 31st, 2014.
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A list of all suburban intercity rails that are under construction or planning

S1 Nanjing-Gaochun
S2 Nanjing-Ma'anshan
S3 Nanjing-Hexian
S4 Nanjing-Chuzhou
S5 Nanjing-Yangzhou
S6 Nanjing-Jurong
S7 Nanjing-Lishui
S8 Nanjing-Tianchang

http://www.js.xinhuanet.com/2013-06/27/c_116305114.htm

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Tunneling of Metro Line 10 finished on June 20th, target is finish track laying by Nov 30th, and electrical by Dec 30th.

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