Persian Names

[Shapoor]

Daryae abi those names are of arabic origin NOT Persian, Azari, Kurdish etc. or Iranian. Just because a name or trend is popular somewhere it doesn't mean it belongs to there.

And I seriously don't know what you're talking about in the second of your post, if so can I have a rock concert there? I think you're just talking random stuff.

[Persiancat]

I have a question and i'd be happy if any one could answer it. What does "seyed" mean??! when i lived in iran, i remember that many people's name started with seyed and they seemed to be very proud of it.

[Shapoor]

From wikipedia:

Sayyid (Arabic: سيد‎) (plural sādah) is an honorific title that is given to males accepted as descendants of the Islamic prophet Muhammad through his grandsons, Hasan ibn Ali and Husayn ibn Ali, who were the sons of his daughter Fatima Zahra and son-in-law Ali ibn Abi Talib.

[PersianPrincess09]

Originally Posted by Shapoor

From wikipedia:

Sayyid (Arabic: سيد‎) (plural sādah) is an honorific title that is given to males accepted as descendants of the Islamic prophet Muhammad through his grandsons, Hasan ibn Ali and Husayn ibn Ali, who were the sons of his daughter Fatima Zahra and son-in-law Ali ibn Abi Talib.

yeeep thats right

[arashmordad]

Originally Posted by Shapoor

From wikipedia:

Sayyid (Arabic: سيد‎) (plural sādah) is an honorific title that is given to males accepted as descendants of the Islamic prophet Muhammad through his grandsons, Hasan ibn Ali and Husayn ibn Ali, who were the sons of his daughter Fatima Zahra and son-in-law Ali ibn Abi Talib.

True, but I doubt half of those people who have this title are actually a "seyyed." But hey "allah o alam," as people say, what do I know?

[Persiancat]

Originally Posted by Shapoor

From wikipedia:

Sayyid (Arabic: سيد‎) (plural sādah) is an honorific title that is given to males accepted as descendants of the Islamic prophet Muhammad through his grandsons, Hasan ibn Ali and Husayn ibn Ali, who were the sons of his daughter Fatima Zahra and son-in-law Ali ibn Abi Talib.

sorry, but this sounds so rediculous. how can an iranian person be a grandson of Muhammad or Hassan, Ali, etc. they lived in a different country. you know there are many seyyeds in iran. they're not few to be ignored.

[shugs]

^Because they have roots in those families. It's the same concept of Shiekh's and Sharriffs.

[Shapoor]

Well it's something that you get from your father. So someone back in history might have been related to the arab prophet, married an Iranian and spread the title for years. I personally don't respect such titles anyway, I judge people based on how themselves act.

[shugs]

^ I think in Iran today it just adds to the corruption by giving seyyeds preferential treatment

[arashmordad]

Originally Posted by Persiancat

this sounds so rediculous. how can an iranian person be a grandson of Muhammad or Hassan, Ali, etc. they lived in a different country. you know there are many seyyeds in iran. they're not few to be ignored.

Well there was the islamic invasion in iran, and there are many emams and emamzadehs buried in. Also it is said that Imam Hussein and Imam Hassan married two of Yazdgird Shah's daughters. A lot of intermixing my friend.

On another note, my favourite Persian names are Ænushirævan, Siavæsh, Borzu, Fereydun, Siamæk, Mænuchehr, Voshmgir, Ishtuvigu, Ario-bærzæn, Surena, Aria, Ariæn, Ariavæsh, Ærdeshir, Faramærz, Esfændiar, Homayun, Mehrdad, etc, you know, the very valiant and traditional names. And for girls names I like Anahita, Delaram, Golpæri, Golru, Mæhru, Pærivæsh, Golnar, Ahu, Pæridokht, Pærisa, Mehrnaz, Nækisa (which originally was a boys name, lol), etc.

(I also like the Nordic name Sigurd)

[Persan]

Originally Posted by Daryae_Abi

they don't say IRANIAN in english?
and also: do you think that names like Hossein, Reza, or Mahdi are not Iranian just because they are Islamic? then why don't you go to Arab countries and see how many people have those names! these names are as much iranian as kourosh and khashayar...

and afshin confirmed in his concert that "to iran nemitoonan shadi konan" even though i live right next to parke fadak and they have concerts almost every day, by people who are much better than afshin don't believe everything you hear

and i used shahid because i dont know the english word. i said kharejaki because i foreignaki does not make sense

also... 13toon be dar
it was 4 days ago but i didnt come here

They do, but then again, according to your rules, the term Iranian is a foreign word. Shouldn't they call it Irani, as Iranians call themselves in Persian? As for 13toon be dar - You're just being silly now! I always use Persian equivalents when the word does not exist in English.

As for Mahdi, Reza, etc: Yes, they are Iranian names too. However, they don't have roots in any major ethnic group of Iran (i.e. Persians, Azaris, Kurds, Turkmen, etc. Arabs are not a major ethnic group of Iran). I think it's silly not to allow Iranians to choose the name of their children because it's not Arabic in origin. That's the case in Iran!

Finally, as for for concerts in Iran: I don't doubt that they have concerts in Iran and I'm certain that the artists are very good. However, concerts alone don't mean freedom and happiness. At the concert, were the men and women allowed to be together? Dance together? Enjoy a glass of wine? Talk about politics? Dress as they like? I highly doubt it! Halfway-freedom is worse than no freedom at all!

[Daryae_Abi]

Originally Posted by shugs

^ I think in Iran today it just adds to the corruption by giving seyyeds preferential treatment

This is not true
Hashemi is not a seyyed and he has been the most powerful man of Iran for 30 years!

Originally Posted by Persan

They do, but then again, according to your rules, the term Iranian is a foreign word. Shouldn't they call it Irani, as Iranians call themselves in Persian? As for 13toon be dar - You're just being silly now! I always use Persian equivalents when the word does not exist in English.

As for Mahdi, Reza, etc: Yes, they are Iranian names too. However, they don't have roots in any major ethnic group of Iran (i.e. Persians, Azaris, Kurds, Turkmen, etc. Arabs are not a major ethnic group of Iran). I think it's silly not to allow Iranians to choose the name of their children because it's not Arabic in origin. That's the case in Iran!

Finally, as for for concerts in Iran: I don't doubt that they have concerts in Iran and I'm certain that the artists are very good. However, concerts alone don't mean freedom and happiness. At the concert, were the men and women allowed to be together? Dance together? Enjoy a glass of wine? Talk about politics? Dress as they like? I highly doubt it! Halfway-freedom is worse than no freedom at all!

This is the difference of you and me brother!

FREEDOM is not about those things. In Sweden you can do all those things, and sweden has the highest suicide rates! how can someone be free if he kills himself?

the problem with us is that we look at material things for freedom. when there are people who are rich and can do whatever they want... who are not happy or free. and there are people who have nothing and they are free. And you also have the shamefull cases of people who are rich and do whatever they want while they oppres and bomb other peoples (you know what i'm talking about so i won't even say it)!

I don't like jean paule sartre but he had one very good statement; he said that he was free when he was in the nazi's prison. he is free in the nazi's prison... and we cant be free without alcohol substances? there is a lot of things in iran i do not like, but we can't say that if we have this and that then we will be free because freedom is only in your heart!

Shahid Hossein Fahmideh: he was free. even though he had nothing, even though he was just 13 years old, and he spent his time watching death and blood spilling! he was free. he saw that his home and his family and his friends was more important than him and he gave himself to protect them. we all have more than him; we have more money, we are still alive as adults, we don't have to see only death around us! if he was free, surely we can be free!!

we need to stop being nashokr! just since the war, how much the economy and politics of iran has gotten better! do you think the newspaper of then could talk about rajaei like they talk about mahmoud today? do you think the shahrdari of tehran would give jobs to all the homeless? and all we do is complain. i know some people who make 5-6 million per month and they don't give one rial of zakat!

we need to make ourself better if we want our government to be better! our government is us!

[Persan]

Originally Posted by Daryae_Abi

This is the difference of you and me brother!
FREEDOM is not about those things. In Sweden you can do all those things, and sweden has the highest suicide rates! how can someone be free if he kills himself?

the problem with us is that we look at material things for freedom...

I don't understand why you use the Swedish example, because it doesn't make any sense! Instead, ask youself about why Iran suffers from one of the biggest brain drains in the world? Yes, it is partially economic, but it's also because of the lack of freedom people have in Iran.

The difference between you and me (and the great majority of people in the world) is that we have different definitions of freedom. I use the dictionary definition of freedom:

The state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint. The state of being free; exemption from the power and control of another; liberty; independence.

My point was that in Iran a person does not have the choice to do the things that I said - i.e. They do not have many personal freedoms. Some people (like yourself) don't want to do those things that I mentioned! That's great! But some people do, and they should be free to do so without the restraints of the government. That's what freedom means!

[arashmordad]

Please, people, if you want to talk about politics, please go to this thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=760460
You can yell and scream however much you want, but this thread is about Iranian names, not about Iran being a free country or not. Thank you

[Persan]

Originally Posted by arashmordad

Please, people, if you want to talk about politics, please go to this thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=760460
You can yell and scream however much you want, but this thread is about Iranian names, not about Iran being a free country or not. Thank you

My apologies!

[arashmordad]

Originally Posted by Persan

My apologies!

Its cool, but I didn't say this just for you, but for everyone.

[Dubai2011]

wow that is a huge list haha

[siyavosh2002]

Why isn't there SIAVASH/SIAVOSH in your list? : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

[arashmordad]

Originally Posted by siyavosh2002

Why isn't there SIAVASH/SIAVOSH in your list? : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

lol, you arent alone. there isnt an "Arash" either.

[gole_hayahou]

I'm a Seyed...its not ridiculous thank you very much...

I wonder if im there are any other half Scottish Seyed's out there