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Old August 31st, 2004, 12:59 AM   #1
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Belgrade's new trolleybuses

Just arrived from Belarus , made by Belkommunmash company
City orderered a few dozen of them, to refurbish its fleet, from both Belarus and Russia, with Russian types soon to arrive.

Note the orange color - all future trolleys in Belgrade will be in this color, while buses will be yellow, trams red and metro in blue color.



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Old August 31st, 2004, 07:04 AM   #2
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the new Belgrade trolleys look really nice. Am i mistaken or are they articulated buses. Hopefully Vancouver will do the same as Belgrade and replace its aging fleet of trolley buses with these articulated trolleys to accommodate the growth in the region but at the same time remain environmentally friendly (zero emissions).

One of Vancouver's aging trolley buses
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Old September 2nd, 2004, 01:41 AM   #3
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Just arrived from Belarus , made by Belkommunmash company
City orderered a few dozen of them, to refurbish its fleet, from both Belarus and Russia, with Russian types soon to arrive.
Oh, poor you! The ones in Rīga are just terrible, and even dangerous!
The drivers say it's the worst piece of shit they've driven, luckily Rīga will never order them again. Now it's Solaris only.

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Old September 2nd, 2004, 10:57 PM   #4
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Heard about that burnout in Riga but...
Similar things won't happen in Belgrade, because these trolley's operate with locally-made electronics & equipment.
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Old September 3rd, 2004, 02:02 AM   #5
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Anyway - good luck to Belgrade with your new trolleys This is very vise investment.

Another point - would not agree that it is THAT environmentally friendly - zero emmissions... It uses energy anyway and there is quite significant loss of energy in the long wires. But total pollution per passenger-kilometer should be smaller than from bus. And this pollution is not produced in city center.
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Old September 9th, 2004, 07:29 PM   #6
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Nice pictures but ive never seen the point in Trolley buses.There used to be a route in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney back in the 1960s
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Old September 9th, 2004, 07:56 PM   #7
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Belgrade trolleys have skye-leather seats! I don`t know why but they are comfortable!

And they are off corse zero pollution because they are electric buses-no oil-no gases.
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Old September 9th, 2004, 11:25 PM   #8
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Nice pictures but ive never seen the point in Trolley buses.There used to be a route in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney back in the 1960s
They're cheaper in many areas of the world, where electricity is cheaper than gas.
They're quieter
They're smoother
They're better suited for local service (regular buses are better for express service).
They're MUCH cleaner.
Their cost is comparable to that of buses.

We have modified versions of Skoda 14TrSF and 15 TrSF, which are almost done replacing Flyer E800s. We also have some New Flyer artic. trolleybuses.

Skodas are comfortable, but their electronics aren't great. Their electronics aren't standard, and I think that's a part of the problem.
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Old September 13th, 2004, 11:47 AM   #9
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the new Belgrade trolleys look really nice. Am i mistaken or are they articulated buses. Hopefully Vancouver will do the same as Belgrade and replace its aging fleet of trolley buses with these articulated trolleys to accommodate the growth in the region but at the same time remain environmentally friendly (zero emissions).
Vancouver's network of trolley buses remains the world's largest. Right now as we speak the new buses are being made in Winnipeg. The fleet should be entirely replaced by the beginning of 2006.
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Old October 11th, 2004, 09:58 AM   #10
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Vancouver's network of trolley buses remains the world's largest. Right now as we speak the new buses are being made in Winnipeg. The fleet should be entirely replaced by the beginning of 2006.
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Muni’s Current Fleet:
16 Routes

344 Electric Trolley Buses:

* 60 Articulated trolley buses (all from the New Flyer bus manufacturer, acquired in 1994). Articulated trolley buses are 60-feet long and have the "accordion" framing in the middle of the vehicle to allow for maneuverability.

* 284 standard trolley buses (from Flyer and ETI). Standard trolley buses are 40-feet long. All the older Flyer trolley buses will be phased out during mid-to-late 2003.

while...

Translink's fleet of 231 zero-emmission, hydroelectric-powered trolley busses provides clean and quiet service on 150 routes in Greater Vancouver's metropolitan core.

TransLink's trolley fleet is second in size only to San Francisco's in North America, although Seattle runs a large fleet of dual mode diesel/electric buses in addition to conventional trolleys (which we are in the process of replacing with hybrids).
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Old July 26th, 2005, 12:28 AM   #11
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Vancouver's network of trolley buses remains the world's largest.
Kiev, Ukraine has got slightly over 500 trolley buses in the fleet. Peek hour car usage is about 400.
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Old July 27th, 2005, 10:10 AM   #12
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Hopefully Vancouver will do the same as Belgrade and replace its aging fleet of trolley buses with these articulated trolleys to accommodate the growth in the region but at the same time remain environmentally friendly (zero emissions).
They already are. The buses have been ordered, but testing is still in progress before full production can take place.
Some pics:



More pics

Articulated ones will arrive around 2008 though...
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Old July 27th, 2005, 11:41 AM   #13
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Articulated? Seattle has had 60' trolley buses for a long time, since 1970's. They're currently converting the old tunnel buses that runs on diesel when it's outside the tunnel and runs on electricity in the tunnel, anyway they are converting it to electricity only, upgraded with new LED desination signs, LED turn signals, rebuilt electric motor and removed the diesel engine.
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Old December 25th, 2005, 10:19 PM   #14
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Belgrade's "metro" project

Authorities behind this project just revelead a video presentation/animation - it can be downloaded here (Save Target As recommended)

http://www.massvision.net/Data/Files/lrt_animacija.mpg
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Old December 26th, 2005, 12:44 PM   #15
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It will be a tram not a metro
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Old December 26th, 2005, 02:40 PM   #16
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No city in the former Yugloslavia has a metro!
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Old December 26th, 2005, 06:38 PM   #17
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It will be a tram not a metro
Depends how you define metro.
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Old December 26th, 2005, 06:54 PM   #18
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Nice video, too bad my Serbian is insufficient. There will be underground sections, but it´s mostly a tram.
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Old December 27th, 2005, 02:15 PM   #19
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Depends how you define metro.
First of all no level crossing. This is a modern tram whit some underground stations thats it
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Old March 27th, 2006, 08:05 PM   #20
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First of all no level crossing. This is a modern tram whit some underground stations thats it
I totlaly aggre w/you, and one more thing, I was in BG in 1995, I saw the construcitons ,but it was on hold, and I still wonder , did city re-open the work-consturcions or it is still temporarely closed
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