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Old August 24th, 2013, 05:25 PM   #441
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Old November 17th, 2013, 06:17 AM   #442
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 03:15 PM   #443
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It would be because Bosnian Wars (1992) and end of USSR?
No, this is mainly due to the lack of funding, since former Yugoslavia went practically bankrupt in 1983. Besides, there was a conflict between the Serbian Academy of Sciences, which was proposing LRT coupled with suburban trains, and the Belgrade's City Council commission for metro, whose plans were grandiose and unrealistic. The situation was further aggravated by the fact that most of the southern and south-eastern suburbs of Belgrade were built illegally, which made the existing plans out of date. For the time being the only realistic short-term solution would be to build additional stations on the existing suburban railway network (Beovoz), together with parking lots, and to overhaul and modernize the fleet of 20-odd RVR electric trainsets which are currently in storage. Also, integration of Beovoz ticketing system into the BusPlus system is also possible without large-scale investments.

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Old November 23rd, 2013, 06:27 PM   #444
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Besides, there was a conflict between the Serbian Academy of Sciences, which was proposing LRT coupled with suburban trains, and the Belgrade's City Council commission for metro, whose plans were grandiose and unrealistic.
Besides Prokop-station it is rumoured that Vukov sp. also has a station-shell already buuilt for the metro. I also often wondered if they build the Sava-Center with metro in mind, because there should have been s station nearby, following the old 1976 plan.

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Old November 26th, 2013, 12:58 PM   #445
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Besides Prokop-station it is rumoured that Vukov sp. also has a station-shell already buuilt for the metro. I also often wondered if they build the Sava-Center with metro in mind, because there should have been s station nearby, following the old 1976 plan.

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That's correct, there is roughly 400 meters of tunnel reserved for metro at Vukov spomenik, on the upper level of the station, behind those bronze murals. Regarding Sava Centar, there is a plenty of land plots still unused, probably reserved for the metro. But don't hold your breath, construction is unlikely to commence anytime soon.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 12:28 PM   #447
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Regarding Sava Centar, there is a plenty of land plots still unused, probably reserved for the metro. But don't hold your breath, construction is unlikely to commence anytime soon.
Yepp, thanks. the building I saw in an old prospect was never built. It would have been built in the triangle where the lines to Zemun and Novi Beograd-station split. But the space for this two lines seems to be still reserved as even newer buildings take respect of this project.

Does anyone know about the standard of the 400 m- tunnel at Vukov sp.? The Belgrad planners took a view at Munich and Vienna with 2,90 m wide metro-trains. Besides Bucharest every metro in former Comecon-countries used the 2,70 m wide russian load-profile.

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Old January 3rd, 2014, 10:05 AM   #448
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Whereas 2013 seemed like the year of the buses (some couple of hundred bought by the chief public firm as well as various private firms operating in Belgrade), it looks like 2014 is shaping up to be the year of Belgrade's commuter rail network (locally branded "BG:Voz"), a limited but increasingly important mode of transport, in lieu of a proper metro network, though there still does not seem to be a very clear vision about the future of this system.

First and most important development - the first project to be financed out the much talked about billion-dollar Russian Railways (RZD) loan for modernization of Serbian railways will be the link between Belgrade and satelite city of Pancevo, itself next logical extension of the existing line, provided agreements are reached on various levels of government.

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Thursday, 01/02/2014|14:04 | Source: Beta

On December, 31, 2013, the Government of Serbia made payment of 9 million EUR to 'Railways of Serbia' for 15% participation, from the funds from the Russian loan intended for modernization of the rail Belgrade - Pancevo, according to the statement by the company.
The money will be paid to 'RZD International', which is due to make realization of 800 million USD loan for modernization of the railway in Serbia, on behalf of 'Russian State Railways'.
- By this, practically all necessary conditions have been made for modernization of the rail Pancevo bridge - Pancevo main station - sad 'Railways of Serbia' CEO, Dragoljub Simonovic.
Reconstruction, construction and modernization of the second rail line on the section Pancevo bridge - Pancevo main station is the first project from the Russian loan to be realized in 2014.
The value of works in 69 million EUR, out of which 60 million EUR is from the loan, and 9 million EUR, 15%, is provided by the state.
Pancevo bridge - Pancevo main station is 15 km long rail. After modernization and electrical reconstruction, its efficiency will be improved, and possible reachable speed by the trains will be 120 km/h.
Building permit was issued on October, 3, and 15% of the necessary funds create conditions for the beginning of works. Russian partners have already started selection of contractors.

Additionally, reconstruction of the Belgrade-Rakovica-Resnik, another planned eventual extension of the commuter rail system, is finally expected to start this year, financed out of an EBRD loan:

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THE European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) has agreed to provide a Euros 95m sovereign-guaranteed loan to Serbian Railways (ZS) to help upgrade the section of European Corridor 10 between Belgrade and the Croatian border.
The loan will support a Euros 290m project which includes the modernisation of the 14km Belgrade -Rakovica - Resnik section as well as 50km of track renewals.

Corridor 10 is the backbone of the ZS, carrying more than half of all rail traffic in Serbia, but much of the route is in poor condition with numerous speed restrictions.

The EBRD has already granted Serbia loans to support the Corridor 10 modernisation, including the upgrading of 112km of track between Belgrade and the Macedonian border as well as the electrification of the Niš - Dimitrovgrad branch.

Corridor 10 links Salzburg with Thessaloniki via Ljubljana, Zagreb, Belgrade, and Skopje.


Also just announced (or re-announced, though nobody's really counting anymore how many times) is the renewal
of work on Belgrade's planned new railway station, where work has been happening on & off since the 1970's.
It's expected to become the main hub for inter-city and commuter railway passenger services, allowing for decommissioning of the current rail station, and redevelopment of that valuable land in downtown Belgrade.
Initial work will be financed out of the already approved 25 million euro Kuwaiti loan though much more will be required before the station is finally fully operational.




And last but not least - first of 21 new passenger EMU's from Swiss firm Stadler purchased by Serbian Railways for inter-city services are expected to begin arriving before the end of the year - though I had personally hoped there would be a seperate tender for Belgrade's commuter rail system, rumours say some of these will indeed be used by BG:Voz system.

Somewhat poor replacement for the Soviet-era RVR workhorses currently employed on the line.

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Old January 8th, 2014, 11:18 AM   #449
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Yepp, thanks. the building I saw in an old prospect was never built. It would have been built in the triangle where the lines to Zemun and Novi Beograd-station split. But the space for this two lines seems to be still reserved as even newer buildings take respect of this project.

Does anyone know about the standard of the 400 m- tunnel at Vukov sp.? The Belgrad planners took a view at Munich and Vienna with 2,90 m wide metro-trains. Besides Bucharest every metro in former Comecon-countries used the 2,70 m wide russian load-profile.

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You are correct! Branislav Jovin, the guy who was the head of the Belgrade City Council Commission for metro basically copied the system from Munich. So, the tunnel diameter is 2,9 m. However, his project was oversized and way too expensive, and most importantly he was an architect, not an urban planner, nor a civil engineer. He is still alive, still very vain, and he is usually wasting his time on criticizing EVERYTHING that is currently being done in Belgrade. You may contact him directly through his blog: http://blog.b92.net/user/106760/branislavjovin/
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And last but not least - first of 21 new passenger EMU's from Swiss firm Stadler purchased by Serbian Railways for inter-city services are expected to begin arriving before the end of the year - though I had personally hoped there would be a seperate tender for Belgrade's commuter rail system, rumours say some of these will indeed be used by BG:Voz system.

Somewhat poor replacement for the Soviet-era RVR workhorses currently employed on the line.
Well, given the current usage of Beovoz, they are a good substitute for the current RVR stock. Besides, Stadler transets are consuming much less electricity than RVRs.
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Old January 28th, 2014, 08:07 AM   #451
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I intend to visit Belgrade for documentation and pictures with trolleybuses, trams and train. No problem to the photograph, I hope.

Does exist the ticket for 24 h?
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Old January 28th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #452
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He is still alive, still very vain, and he is usually wasting his time on criticizing EVERYTHING that is currently being done in Belgrade. You may contact him directly through his blog: http://blog.b92.net/user/106760/branislavjovin/
Hmm, ok, sounds difficult. I do have this in my daily job, thanks

Yes, the 1975 plan was way to ambitioned with additional fast-metro etc.. Then they fell back with strategy of tramway for 21st. century. I consider the basic network with two lines would have been a good thing to concentrate on. But there have been similar ambitious plans for Zagreb, Sarajevo and Ljubljana in Yugoslawia at that time.

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Hmm, ok, sounds difficult. I do have this in my daily job, thanks

Yes, the 1975 plan was way to ambitioned with additional fast-metro etc.. Then they fell back with strategy of tramway for 21st. century. I consider the basic network with two lines would have been a good thing to concentrate on. But there have been similar ambitious plans for Zagreb, Sarajevo and Ljubljana in Yugoslawia at that time.

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Look at the p.m.! He speaks English, and he will tell you volumes about his plans. However, you should take everything he says with a grain of salt, since Belgrade has changed a lot since the 1970's. He is constantly pushing HIS OWN project, without taking into consideration that Belgrade has changed, and that his project is simply too costly. When it comes to other things however, he is spot on (e.g. that new bridge over Ada)! When it comes to the tramway strategy for 21st Century, that project was ridiculed by him, but it was proposed by a team from University of Philadelphia, taking into consideration that there was no money for Jovin's project and the fact that Rakovica back at the time was a major industrial suburb of Belgrade, with a number of large factories (IMR, IMP foundry, Rekord tyre factor, major railway depot, Frigostroj), which employed over 23,000 workers. Also, it must be noted that the line 3 is completely independent from the road traffic.
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Hmm, ok, sounds difficult. I do have this in my daily job, thanks

Yes, the 1975 plan was way to ambitioned with additional fast-metro etc.. Then they fell back with strategy of tramway for 21st. century. I consider the basic network with two lines would have been a good thing to concentrate on. But there have been similar ambitious plans for Zagreb, Sarajevo and Ljubljana in Yugoslawia at that time.

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I never heard about such plans in Zagreb, Sarajevo and Ljubljana. Currently, apart from Belgrade, only Zagreb is seriously contemplating a metro system, and currently it's best positioned to do so. Most likely it will be something like metro systems in Rennes or Brescia.
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I intend to visit Belgrade for documentation and pictures with trolleybuses, trams and train. No problem to the photograph, I hope.

Does exist the ticket for 24 h?
You may photograph as much as you want, no one will bother you. ut you Currently there are no 24h tickets, but you can always buy one the from driver, valid for one ride. If you are a foreigner and if you take a ride without a ticket the worst thing that may happen to you is to be kicked out at the next station.
Frequently drivers themselves do not have tickets available, or they don't have change. However, I don't use public transport very often, so ask around. You may even visit some depots. The best thing to do is to ask them in advance. http://www.gsp.rs/english/main.htm
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You may photograph as much as you want, no one will bother you. ut you Currently there are no 24h tickets, but you can always buy one the from driver, valid for one ride. If you are a foreigner and if you take a ride without a ticket the worst thing that may happen to you is to be kicked out at the next station.
Frequently drivers themselves do not have tickets available, or they don't have change. However, I don't use public transport very often, so ask around. You may even visit some depots. The best thing to do is to ask them in advance. http://www.gsp.rs/english/main.htm
BusPlus paper card cost 40 dinars. And a trip 100 dinars? But if validate them, is it valabile for 75 min. or for one trip?

"Travelers can also use time ticket valid for 75 minutes, which costs 101 dinars". Where are availabile the tickets?

http://www.belgradian.com/around-bel...lic-transport/
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BusPlus paper card cost 40 dinars. And a trip 100 dinars? But if validate them, is it valabile for 75 min. or for one trip?

"Travelers can also use time ticket valid for 75 minutes, which costs 101 dinars". Where are availabile the tickets?

http://www.belgradian.com/around-bel...lic-transport/
Wrong! There are no BusPlus paper cards AFAIK, and one ride with a BusPlus RFID card costs 73 RSD for a single ride, regardless of duration or the number of stops. Paper tickets can bought from the driver only, and they are more expensive, but they are frequently unavailable. They are also valid for one ride only.
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Working to put online pictures and films

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Belgrade trolleybuses. Pictures and films:

http://www.transira.ro/bb3/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=2184

http://www.transira.ro/bb3/viewtopic...=2184&start=30

http://www.transira.ro/bb3/viewtopic...=2184&start=60

Does exist plans to extend the trolleybus network?
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