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Old January 1st, 2016, 03:41 PM   #541
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I think some areas may not be dense enough for a metro station.
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Old January 1st, 2016, 06:21 PM   #542
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Funny it's called "Belgrade Center-Prokop" since it looks no where near the city centre.
The area lies behind a large motorway interchange, road and public transport connections seems poor or non-existent.
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It's 1.6km (2.4km by road) from curent rail station and city centre, that's not "middle of nowhere". It has no road access because Its is under construction.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 04:32 PM   #544
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Well, obviously, I'd have the new central railway station (Prokop) and the Novi Beograd district be served by any rail rapid transit system for the Belgrade area. As unlikely as its development is, are there any other areas in Belgrade that need to be served by any metro system?

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You say a capital with almost 2 000 000 population is not big enough to have a metro system? That's... funny
For comparison's sake, here are the populations of some of the cities in Eastern Europe that do have metro systems (in the sense of metropolitan areas rather than cities proper):

Warsaw: 2.7 million
Prague: 2.16 million
Budapest: 3.3 million
Bucharest: 2.3 million
Sofia: 1.3 million
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Old January 6th, 2016, 04:25 AM   #545
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I can think of a couple of reasons why Belgrade does not have a metro system: The population of Belgrade isn't large enough to support a rail rapid transit system (1.65 million people within its city limits. Also, I think some areas may not be dense enough for a metro station.
There are more reasons, the most important is policy of investment in infrastructure related with economy and politics.

In 1960-ies, Belgrade spent the budget for capital investment on east-west city motorway. In 1970-ies and 1980-ies , there was capital investment in "New Belgrade Railway Junction" with 3 main branches, all grade separeted in tunnels, on viaducts or embankments. That is "Belgrade Crossrail". At first half of 1990-ies main part of this system was completed, and there was service with 3 lines:
Red line: Pancevo Vojlovica - Nova Pazova
Blue line: Pancevo Vojlovica - Ripanj
Grey line: Nova Pazova - Ripanj.

System had 23 stations (2 underground), and headways on all lines was 70-90 min, 35-45 min on mutual sections for pairs of lines. In the middle of 1990-ies, ridership was 80.000 riders a day.

From 2000, new polititions recognized that system as enemy of bus lobby supported by them. Belgrade Mayor in 2003 said "Beovoz must be destroyed". (Beovoz=Belgrade Suburban Rail). Destroying was slow proces, and slowly, ridership droped to 9.000 passengers a day in 2010.

In 2010. because of City Highway reconstructions, in Belgrade was permanent traffic jam like never before. Because of that, Mayor relented, and first time after 10 years, there was budget for rail rapid transit (during those 10 years, Belgrade covered 50%-70% of operating costs of bus transport, and 0% of rail transport). But, service was limited to only little part of the system with 9 stations. To be honest, on that shortened part of the system was setted higher standards (15-30min hedways, penalties for delays, made this line one of the most realiable in Europe). High realibility is made by extending the travel time 20%, and high rang, and sometimes trains from Budapest and Zagreb was late 25 min because of strict on time performancies of suburban line. Stil, there is no central despatching center. New service atracted 36.000 riders on working day. That is indeed the similar number as in 1930-ies on 5 brunches suburban rail network with steam locomotives for Belgrade with 5 time less inhabitants.

The story of Belgrade Rail Rapid Transit is very stupid and sad... Want more?
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Old January 6th, 2016, 10:55 AM   #546
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This is the official plan for Belgrade's rapid transit network from 1977. Red is metro, thick green is regional rail, thin green is rail, and bus routs in yellow.

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Old January 6th, 2016, 03:22 PM   #547
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Under the street with trams on that drawing there is a "concret box" for future metro station. Another "concrete box" is under "Prokop" railway station, and that is all from Belgrade Metro.
Are you sure that it´s under Prokop Station? From what I know due to the hilly sourrounding, metro should cross over the platforms of Prokop-station, having two platforms as it should split to Autokomanda and Petlovo Brdo (sorry, if I don´t spell the names right).

The plan with regional-metro might be too optimistic in the 70s. For today it would make sense to have Fontana/Bezanija-Novi Beograd - Vukov Spnk.-Mali Mokri Lug/Jajinci and 2nd trunk-route Karaburma-Dorcol-Prokop-Petlovo Brdo/Mitlovo Brdo as metro.

Belgrade, last city in Europe deserving a classic metro-System like Munich, Vienna, Sofia orWarsaw

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Are you sure that it´s under Prokop Station? From what I know due to the hilly sourrounding, metro should cross over the platforms of Prokop-station, having two platforms as it should split to Autokomanda and Petlovo Brdo (sorry, if I don´t spell the names right).
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Parallel with ongoing work on Belgrade-Center (Prokop) railway station, work has slowly begun on construction of the new bus & rail station complex across Sava river, in New Belgrade...


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Monday, 01/04/2016|15:50 | Source: B92

In 2016, Belgrade is planning a number of projects so that the city would be nicer, more functional and healthier for life, the main city planner, Milutin Folic, said. He added Belgrade citizens can be relieved since the investment wheel rolls down in Belgrade which has full city budget.

Belgrade citizens can be satisfied since, as Folic proudly outlines, in 2015 terms for detailed regulation plan and general urban plan to be adopted were generated which will open the door for huge investments and infrastructure development.

Bombed building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs at Kneza Milosa street will no longer be visible to passengers, Folic outlines since terms for its reconstruction have been generated. In a series of projects, construction of a new bus and railway station in block 42 in Novi Beograd is planned next to which, as Folic announces, business space on 200.000 m2 will be built.

In his interview for Tanjug he said that this year, among other things, detailed regulation plan for Ada Huja and Block 18. IME (identity-mobility-ecology) was designed so that Belgrade citizens should get more developed place for life.

Bicycle fans will be happy with the news that IME project implies that this transport means is a part of public transport which implies set up of cycling paths network.

For a new, modernly built Marriott hotel, next old, great buildings, the main city planner claims that this hotel fit into its environment fantastically. To support the fact, he adds that during interventions at the old core of the city we should not try to make older and nicer building but a modern one which will provide contrast.

Repeating that the hotel greatly fits into this part of the city, he added other architects do not have to share his attitude.
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Tuesday, 12/08/2015|10:41 | Source: Novost


Inter-city and international traffic will be completely moved to New Belgrade. The move will be carried out in two phases, with the construction of a new central bus station starting next year, writes Novosti.

According to the statement, Lasta will be temporarily moved to the Parking Servis site in New Belgrade, later to be housed in a new building that will unite the bus and train stations.

“The interim solution on the present Parking Servis site requires the least infrastructure for the station to work”, says main city town planner Milutin Folić.

According to Folić, The new central bus station that will integrate Lasta with other buses will be completed by the end of 2017.

Lasta and BAS will be moved to the new common location in Block 42 in New Belgrade.

“This location was already set out in the general plan several decades ago”, explained Folić, “and we are finally able to move the inter-city bus traffic from the city centre and significantly reduce traffic jams and pollution. An architectural competition held last year resulted in the selection of the winning solution by professors Milan and Vlada Lojanica who integrated the bus station with the New Belgrade railway station.”

The new station will be easily accessible by all city transport as it lies on the BG Rail line and as the tram over the new Ada bridge will be put into service, declared the chief town planner.

Reducing operating costs is also a new concept for Lasta. All inter-city and international traffic will be concentrated in Block 42, while suburban traffic will not run into the centre but will arrive at the central traffic terminus from all directions.

“As it's a temporary solution, the agreement is that Lasta will use the existing Parking Servis site, making it usable with a few minor works”, announced Folić. “The price of building the new bus station will be known when the technical documentation is completed, and it may be built as a public-private partnership. Several investors have expressed interest as they will be able to build many square metres of commercial space at the station.”

Lasta confirms that it is ready to move its bus station. Although nothing has yet been organised, they say that when the city decides to realise this story they can complete it by the end of the year.


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Old January 26th, 2016, 04:47 PM   #552
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Kind off-topic but worth reporting - one of Belgrade's satelite towns, Pancevo, is
about to get a number of pretty new buses from local manufacturer Ikarbus:

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Just announced Belgrade meanwhile will receive over a 100 new buses this year, including the 20 new buses from Ikarbus, contract for which will be signed next week.

This just about covers the annual attrition due to poor maintenance
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Latest donation from Basel has begun rolling out...

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Sunday, 02/14/2016|14:53 | Source: Tanjug

Thanks to a donation from the Government of Switzerland, the City of Belgrade has obtained 14 trams that will be in operation in few days, Belgrade Mayor Sinisa Mali said and added that additional 15 streetcars would arrive in the capital in the following period.

- These trams will contribute to a higher frequency and better quality of public transport. I hope these streetcars from Switzerland will significantly improve the city transportation system in Belgrade - said Mali after visiting GSP (the City Transportation Company of Belgrade).

He visited this company accompanied by Bern Mayor Alexander Chepet. The two of them signed an Agreement on Cooperation and Friendship between Belgrade and Bern earlier today.

Reminding that Switzerland was famous for chocolate, watches and public transport, Chepet pointed to public transport as one of the most important things for a city to be successful.

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