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Old December 23rd, 2017, 06:48 PM   #661
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Fantastic news. And about Belgrade metro?
Construction start is approaching for the new Metro around 2020.Well who knows;British study,French design,Chinese maglev trains,Russian engineers and German tunnel machines.. In the end made in Eu.It loooks it will be crowded down there.
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Old December 25th, 2017, 10:58 PM   #662
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4K video of the entire Belgrade's suburban rail line, both directions.



The line in red. Stations in grey are planned.

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Old December 26th, 2017, 05:37 AM   #663
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having been to Belgrade a handful of times I haven't got the impression that people use this system at all. Do Belgraders find no use for it or is it poorly marketed and as such few are aware of it? Is it integrated with BusPlus?
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Old December 26th, 2017, 07:05 AM   #664
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The trains are packed at rush hour. Outside of them, and especially on weekends, the frequency of the trains is lower, so some prefer the buses.
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Old December 26th, 2017, 09:36 AM   #665
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It certainly has the potential to be a great system. But lots of work needs to be done first. Some of the stations and their surrounding areas will need to be, hm, improved. New rolling stock purchased.

Three months ago I was in Belgrade, and took the commuter train purely out of my own interest for public transit, otherwise would have taken a cab or maybe a bus.

It was late at night and the station in Zemun was a bit spooky. Waiting for a bus there, I befriended some guy in similar predicament - we waited for practically an hour (kept missing the #45, which loops there) until we decided to walk towards Prvomajska street. The area also seems to be popular with, what appeared to be prostitutes, who walk in pairs looking for clients.

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Old December 26th, 2017, 11:29 AM   #666
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First line will be under reconstruction and on april scheduled to start second line Resnik-Ovča,completely new line and stations.

http://www.politika.rs/sr/clanak/391...m-i-iz-Resnika
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It certainly has the potential to be a great system. But lots of work needs to be done first. Some of the stations and their surrounding areas will need to be, hm, improved. New rolling stock purchased.
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Yes potential is amazing, Belgrade City rail resembles on Crossrail project but it s alredy in use .Belgrade city couldn't build it nowadays,costs could rise substantiall.City authorities understood it well,with invesment for only 300 mil eur.+ 2 new lines (one to the airport) will be open in next three years.
Same company from Crossrail project WSP helped Belgrade with smart plan and future development for City rail BG Voz.


New stations ,line 1

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Station Rakovica and station Resnik. line 2 under construction
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Old December 27th, 2017, 01:17 AM   #669
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PETITION: MAIN RAILWAY STATION MUST STAY IN THE CENTER OF BELGRADE

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PETITION: MAIN RAILWAY STATION MUST STAY IN THE CENTER OF BELGRADE

We demand from authorities in Belgrade and Serbia to keep the main passenger train station in the historic, administrative, culture, education and touristic center of Belgrade. By that, we mean the remainder of the present Railway Station on Sava Square, in relation to which Belgrade was developing as a capital and one of the most important metropolises in Southeast Europe.

In relation to the Railway Station was developed street and tram networks, craft and shopping districts, hotels, most prestigious secondary schools (Nikola Tesla, Mathematical and Philological Gymnasium), central buildings of state importance, public transport nodes, most of the embassies, or everything from which the new station in Prokop("Belgrade Center") is too far away. The relocation the majority of main raillines to unfinished station "Belgrade Center" in Prokop already results in few times lower ridership, even on reconstructed track to Valjevo and Užice! After reconstruction, travel time by trains is shorter than by bus. But location very modestly served by public transport, and outside of any major point which atract the passengers results in historically the lowest ridership!

As a reason for moving the majority of trains from railway station in the center of Belgrade from December 10th 2017, with plan to remove few remaining trains until the end of 2018 is the project "Belgrade Waterfront". In the countries of the first and second world, and even in third world countries that have a vision of development, the investors who really are that, consider the locations near the active passenger railway stations as the most attractive for high investment! The reason is that the railway is the only transport system that has the technical capabilities to transport a large number of people from large distances quickly, economically and directly, while occupying a minimum surface area. After removing unused warehouses, barns, bus parking lots, concrete bases around main railway station, it is completely clear how is little part of the land which is occupied by the passenger rail in the Sava Amphitheater development zone.

Economically reasonable governments of the world, when investing in new large railway stations like Prokop, do so to increase capacity and form new development zones. Never to break the development related to the location of old railway stations, and never give that for private construction on several hectares, how many functional passenger stations they use in the city center. There are cases in the world when the conversion of these few hectares is desired, and then such railway stations become underground, remaining in the same place.
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And yes, this is a topic strongly related with subways and public transport at all! For example, the plan which is implementing now is first plan in history of Belgrade where only railway station in real center of Belgrade on Sava Square have no rule in mid and long distance public transport, and first plan in which no any of New Junction railway station is served with planned subway lines!
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Petition has rejected,it s a political matter .City elections on march 2018.
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Old December 30th, 2017, 08:14 PM   #671
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Petition is in proces of collecting signatures. My previous post I wrote in present tense, which give to reader an art freedom to think that it is in past or future

The railway station in the center is human and civilization value, especially considering the all development oriented to that railway station.

In Praha, when somobody tried the same with Masarikovy Nadražy, there was protests, and station stayed.

In Istanbul, there was also demonstrations because of plan to close Haydarpasa and Sirkesi train stations after opening the Marmaray. Turkish State Railways TCDD sued the goverment and won.

In Lagos, there was a plan to simple replace existing track with metro line. But again, Nigerian Railways won. Now, we will see how will Lagos find the solution for integral planning, without bad compromises.

I have made a blogpost with very detail explanations of everything, for people who do not speek Serbian, and have never been in Belgrade.



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The broader and narrower center of Belgrade is bordered using black. It is the place of the largest number of embassies, hotels, hostels, theaters, museums and other tourist attractions, administrative buildings of state institutions, the most important specialized high schools, faculties specialized trade and craft shops... Almost everything what makes Belgrade the capital and metropolis. It is also a zone in which every working day in peak hours almost all streets are congested with automobile traffic, parking is limited in time, it is charged, and in spite of that, demand for parking places is higher than supply. According to official statistics, the only two railway stations in the central zone on the line marked in red, Karađorđev Park and Vukov Spomenik, generate about 60% of all movements on that line. Those two are metro-like stations with only two tracks and central platform, made for regional suburban trains only. The reason why Prokop is not covered by a circular line that signifies a broader center is that between these two there is a gorge in which the highway is. The basic requirement that Prokop functionally become part of a wider center is to make a direct pedestrian connection with a very slight climb between the ridge at the periphery of the wider center and the middle of the station, about 30 meters above the bottom of the gorge. Then Belgrade Center/ Prokop would directly serve the southern part of the wider center. That is the district of clinics and medical faculties. Unfortunately, there are no such links in official plans, and that is just one of parodoxis in planning of Prokop.

Business center is marked with a green circle. It is part of Belgrade called Novi Beograd, which began to build before the Second World War on the former swamp. At the beginning of the development, that was a "sleeping district" without any events or atractions. But after the introduction of the tram in 1984, started the serious development of the hotels and commercial facilities. Especially after 2000, numerous companies are raising the business buildings and the largest shopping malls. The reason is very well planned area for construction, large and equiped lots, where investors have favorable conditions to build large-scale objects.

Insofar, the blue line on the map of the suburban railroad is out of logic. The red line does not use even half the capacity of the two-track railway either in the center of Belgrade or in New Belgrade. Fortunately, at the end of 2017, the plan to use Beograd Center/Prokop as the end point of bllue line is canceled, and from March 2018 it will share a common route with red through the eastern part of the center of Belgrade.

Finally, a purple color is marked infrastructure, which current decision makers want to abolish for a couple of hectares of land more for private construction. Tetragon is the Belgrade Main Station (Beograd Glavna). The new railway line with the railway station Prokop/Belgrade Center was designed during the 1960s as an upgraiding of the Old Railway node, which was then at the limit of congestion. In all plans, from then until 2014, it is planned that the New Railway Node will take IC and suburban trains, and that from the old railway station, regional trains and part of suburban ones will be taken. Since the last decade, the only railway station in downtown Belgrade is left to ruin, and also the track to it. it seems as if it was deliberately planned that the railroad would go to oblivion to grab the land without resistance. Paradoxaly, because in all other countries of Europe, the proximity of big railway station is the biggest adventage for investors who realy are! In public there are three main spins:
- "Railway is a chain, which don't give to city the opportunity to spread out near rivers".
- "Passenger railway make aproximetely 100ha of land in the center of Belgrade unusable." (Now, when everything is demolished exept really needed for passenger rail, it is clear that that is only approximatly 6ha of 100ha.)
- "The reason for building the New Railway Noad is to fully replace the Old Railway Node".
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It is not the first and the last time in that crazy world that someone want to demolish everything on the way to his/her insane idee fix. We would like to know more about international experince with those things.

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Is the actual subway plan a good replacement for the current only railway station in the center Belgrade Main Station?


One of the main pronouncements of current decision-makers is that all problems will be solved by subway with knot point on the almost same location as Belgrade Main Station. Very important to notice is that metro is proposed to go to many empty meadows instead to cover the most used transport corridores. They are saying: "that is the way to get huge money back from taxes on construction in those areas". Such a plan deviates from all previous plans, overpass directions with currently the highest ridership, overpass the existing planned construction in relation to (never built) subway. In addition, this is the first metro plan in the history of planning, which does not cover any of the most important railway stations! When it comes to older plans, they all have almost complete planning documentation and decades of geological and traffic research. That is, they would require a minimum revision, and in a relatively short time it would be possible to access construction work. The current decision makers plan the abolition of Belgrade Main Station in December 2018, and planning documents for the newly created metro lines will not be ready before 2020. The practice of abolishing railroads and letting the promise why we started with collecting signatures for a petition. It's just the beginning civic activities to prevent Belgrade's infrastructure malfunction.
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